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Semnos 05-12-2005 04:21 AM

Re: new itb turbo setup build pics
 
Very clean man.
I like it.

chiman72 05-12-2005 06:07 AM

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looks good!!!!!!

Racintweek 05-12-2005 07:59 AM

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you european guys are ------- insane >:D ...........great job

gon3r 05-12-2005 08:05 AM

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looks really good. do you have any more pics of just the intake finished? that plenum is pretty big!

Racintweek 05-12-2005 08:08 AM

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crazy idea just came to mind..........

cant you make a mani like a 4-1 header so all the trumpets converge into one pipe off of the intercooler???
that should def be even airflow

Fulcrum 05-12-2005 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AbaZ
hmm, not really digging the plenum, You'd think you would want the velocity stacks directly at the bottom of the plenum, so the transition would be smooth?

Jeff,
IIRC this question came up in the Endyne forums talkin about manifold design. Larry's answer was that older intake designs raised the stacks away from the plenum wall to keep turbulent boundary layer flow out of the ports. He also said that proper radiusing of the plenum to runner smoothes the transition enough to prevent turblent flow in the runners. He also posted a formula for determining the correct radius diameter for the best flow but, alas, I have forgotten it.

FYI The belly scoop on the P-51 Mustang was raised away from the fuselage for the same reason.

Turbo_Camaro 05-13-2005 01:53 AM

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The finished mani looks good.
I agree with t0n. Let's get a Dutch HMT meeting. ;D
Keep it up.

HMT-Admin 05-13-2005 02:59 AM

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you european guys are doing some pretty ------- sexy work.


88b16civic 05-13-2005 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by projekteg

Originally Posted by davebrul
Actually, having the stacks sticking out into the plenum is a good thing. It allows the stacks to suck in air from a greater surrounding volume area (rather than just from the front). For best results full radius donut shaped stacks are required, but half radius stacks benefit from the same.

yeah, but under boost, the engine won't be sucking air in, the turbo will be forcing air in, therefore, under boost, it seems to me like the velocity stacks will actually be interrupting the flow. your point is valid for when the engine is in vacuum, but i don't think it really applies to when there's positive manifold pressure.

This is the number one misunderstood concept when people think about forced induction. It leads to ideas like "Under boost a heavier flywheel makes more power" and other ---- like that. So here is how it works...

Air flows because of pressure differences, always from high to low. The larger the pressure difference the greater the volume you flow for the same setup. Also the higher the pressure the more dense the air (PV=nRT for the nerds).

As your piston moves down the stroke it creates a lower pressure because the volume is increasing (Think of your lungs filling with air, ribs and diaphragm expand, increase volume, air from high outside pressure (14.7 psia) to low (lung pressure)). On the manifold side, in NA (WOT) the pressure is equal to the atmospheric pressure (~14.7psia (14.7psi above full vacuum)). Under boost its 14.7psia+boost pressure (so 10psi boost = 24.7psia)

Air flows from the intake manifold in NA and boost not because its being forced or sucked but because it is flowing from the high pressure manifold side to the low pressure cylinder side. All the same rules of flow are the same for FI and NA. The only difference is under FI the density of the air is higher (PV=nRT again) and the pressure difference is higher.
NA==> 14.7psia Manifold--> 0psi* Cylinder (*The cylinder pressure starts at 0 and equalizes as it fills to its equal to manifold)
FI++> 14.7+Boost Manifold --> 0psi* Cylinder

Oh and the Europie is right about the trumpets in the manifold. It allows air that is even behind the stack to be drawn around and flow into the stack. Slight increase in flow.

wdwalker 05-15-2005 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Paperchaser013
i belive some nissan bluebirds came like that...ITB w/ turbo.

the rb26dett we just dropped in a 240 is like that, its f'ing crazy... it uses banks of 2 throttle plates connected to one metal throttle linkage, and all three connected to a throttle rail. prob. the most meticulously engineered production engine i've ever seen. :P


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