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rprznt 07-03-2006 07:09 AM

metal on metal contact in turbo
 
Will running oil pressure < boost pressure cause metal on metal contact in the turbo's bearings?
If I have 30 psi oil pressure, but 40 psi boost pressure, will the oil be forced out of the bearings because of the pressure difference?
Is there a 40 psi load on the turbo shaft at said boost level?

idiot-stick 07-03-2006 10:23 AM

Re: metal on metal contact in turbo
 
I wouldnt think so b/c there's no "boost" in the cartridge of the turbo.

Shreik 07-03-2006 03:04 PM

Re: metal on metal contact in turbo
 
From what I've read, when running a turbo with no charge pipes (not building boost) the oil seals can leak letting oil out. If this is true, It may be possible that running boost higher than the oil pressure can allow boost pressure to go past the oil seals. However, I have no clue how much pressure those seals are able to hold back. This is all speculation on my part, I'm just forming an idea based on what I've read. I don't think that 30 psi is your pumps pressure at 40psi of boost, so I'm assuming you're running a restrictor. Worst case, use an adjustable restrictor and turn it up a bit to even it out a bit.

rprznt 07-03-2006 05:15 PM

Re: metal on metal contact in turbo
 

Originally Posted by SloS13
I wouldnt think so b/c there's no "boost" in the cartridge of the turbo.

thanks, isn't that what seals are for :) but i was refering to the tangential (or side to side) load on the shaft when boost# > oil#.

this q is related to a gas turbine project, where the boost is 40 psi, and the oil pressure is 30 psi :6
the turbo in question is a Garrett T4 .50/.70 internally gated.
i'm using an efi fuel pump for oil pump, max pressure = 30psi.
would 40psi - 30 psi = 10 lbs tangential load on shaft, physically squeezing the oil from the bearings????

fork 07-03-2006 05:55 PM

Re: metal on metal contact in turbo
 
I'd call garrett o that one I'm sure they have a spec on how much oil pressure you are supposed to run

ghettoturbo 07-04-2006 03:03 AM

Re: metal on metal contact in turbo
 

Originally Posted by Shreik
From what I've read, when running a turbo with no charge pipes (not building boost) the oil seals can leak letting oil out. If this is true, It may be possible that running boost higher than the oil pressure can allow boost pressure to go past the oil seals. However, I have no clue how much pressure those seals are able to hold back. This is all speculation on my part, I'm just forming an idea based on what I've read. I don't think that 30 psi is your pumps pressure at 40psi of boost, so I'm assuming you're running a restrictor. Worst case, use an adjustable restrictor and turn it up a bit to even it out a bit.

the problem with running without charge pipes is that if the wg is hooked up, the turbo will spin to the moon trying to make boost, not that there is nothing to hold the oil back

rprznt 07-04-2006 04:56 AM

Re: metal on metal contact in turbo
 

Originally Posted by ghettoturbo
the problem with running without charge pipes is that if the wg is hooked up, the turbo will spin to the moon trying to make boost, not that there is nothing to hold the oil back

i will be using charge pipes, with the same amount of load/backpressure on the charge air as in a car, eg... restriction caused by turbine backpressure and combustion instability
i just do not want the oil to be forced out of the bearings by the dynamic load on the turbo shaft caused by the boost pressure it is supporting, will this be a problem? ???
thanks :)

rprznt 07-04-2006 10:52 PM

Re: metal on metal contact in turbo
 
what kind of dynamic / tangential load is on a turbo shaft at its highest mass flow speed?
what are some factors that contribute to turb shaft load?
THANKS NIGLETS :8

rprznt 07-05-2006 08:53 PM

Re: metal on metal contact in turbo
 
anyone ???
JD AbaZ hotcheeks?


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