dcg9381

I'm shopping for a t3 "super 60" turbo and I'm running across a bunch of idiots who either don't know what they're selling or are intentionally misrepresenting what they've got.

I'm seeing SVO / Thunderbird turbo coupe turbos being advertised as t3 "super 60" when I know that Ford never put these turbos on those vehicles.

My question is this:

1) Is it possible to ID a "super 60" from a t3-60 without disassembly and inspection? Flow maps indicate a slight difference on the compressor side.

2) Does the "super 60" always come with a 360 thrust bearing?

ososlohatch

i could be wrog but this is what ive noticed form people seeling turbo's
super 60 = 60/48 ar's 60 trim
t3 60 = 60/63 60 trim


not for sure on the trim though, and this is just what ive seen alot of people go by i doubt its correct, everyone around here refers to a 60/48 as a super 60

dcg9381

Still looking for a way to visually tell the difference?
Any input as to if the "super 60" is always 360 thrust?

There seem to be .42/.48 "super 60s" also that advertise the same CFM support:
http://www.spoolinperformance.com/ga...er60-p-33.html

RENR

this is a real super60(my old turbo, dam i miss it!!)


this is a 48-63/60(sorry huge pIC)I currently run this and its not super anything
but everyone calls it a super60, even me sometimes. Two completely different turbos performance wise.
a real super runs about 400-600 bux and the one below under 300(new)


oh and the only super60 available under that name of super60 are under the turbonetics name not garrett.(i may be wrong so prove me otherwise)

dcg9381

Where can you buy a new t3 63/60 for under $300 new?
Turbonetics certainly does make them, but I thought spoolin' was a very legitimate vendor:
There seem to be .42/.48 "super 60s" also that advertise the same CFM support:
http://www.spoolinperformance.com/ga...er60-p-33.html

MJM (not MJMs) is saying that they've got one also - .48 or .58 hot side, .60 compressor, "350" degree thrust.

Seems the inducer is slightly different: 1.9 vs 1.83 on the compressor... It's going to be hard to tell visually if that's the only difference.

People wonder why I like receipts and ask so many questions...

Slo_crx1

I'm pretty sure that the "super 60" refers to the turbo having not only a .63 ar exhaust housing, but a true 60 trim compressor (not a .60 ar...that number is not the trim contrary to many people's claims). I had the same .48/.60 garrett turbo pictured above, and after measuring out the compressor wheel, it's only a 50 trim at max.

RENR

the exhaust a/r doesnt make it a super. i had a 48/60 a/r super60 straight from turbonetics. its named after the compressor wheel/housing. i wish now i wouldve measured the wheel

dcg9381

I think you were close. There is a t3 "60 trim" that isn't the super 60:
http://www.22returbo.net/compressormaps/med/t3-60.jpg

The "super 60" is actually a slightly larger trim, based on the inducer size that I mentioned above.. Something like 63 trim. As such, it's a very minor change over the 60 trim t3, but it does flow a little better in terms of CFM.

http://www.22returbo.net/compressormaps/med/t3-s60.jpg

Basically I think I've learned that it's going to be impossible to tell them apart visually, AR doesn't matter, and that you'd have to take the compressor cover off to be sure and measure with a caliper.

The only remaining question is: does a "super 60" generally indicate a 360 thrust bearing?


Looking at parts, the super 60 turbine is significantly more expensive. A 360 thrust would be added expense also - I suppose these explain the cost difference... Compressor maps indicate that there isn't a lot of difference.

RENR

you can tell. the wheel is at least visually about 1/4" larger on both side. (guesstimate) stock 60trim wheels are weaklings

dcg9381

Not according to the specs on the compressor wheels I'm finding.

Super 60: 1.90 / 2.367
60 trim t3: 1.830 / 2.2367

We're talking .07 of an inch on the inducer... Your eyes are better than mine.