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got this thing back from blaast a while ago... Attachment 28366 Attachment 28367 Attachment 28368 Attachment 28369 Thanks Blaast. Looks awesome whats up hmt. got a few questions about some snails. i have a t3 (.42/.48) that i bought for my setup on a d16z6. its small and i want bigger. i also have a garret airresearch t04 (.60 ar) with a good compressor and wheel. can i combine the t4 compressor with the t3 exhaust and t3 center section? is it as simple as unbolting housing and wheel and bolting it to the t3? also i have a homemade turbo manifold. sch 40. the middle runners are questionable because i was real stoned and it didnt come out as expected. it has straight 90 deg as you can see. i built up the runners and i am currently rounding them out will i have any problems with this? Attachment 28370 Attachment 28371 Attachment 28372 Attachment 28373 Attachment 28374 Attachment 28375 Attachment 28376 Attachment 28377 |
Re: homemade t3/t4 combination? questionable manifold? lots of pics
wouldnt it be easier to put the t3 exhaust housing and turbine wheel on the t4 turbo? maybe not just thinking, that mani looks sweet for a homemade gig.
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im pretty sure you can bolt the backing plate and the t4 compressor housing and wheel on, but it will need to be balanced afterward anyway. So you should just send your ---- to blaast and have them do it. You'll be gaurenteed it will be done right, and its not very expensive at all.
as far as the mani, you definately gotta get those middle runners round. Other than that, its pretty sweet for a homemade job. Did you make your collector with a chop saw? |
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i could put the exhaust on the t4, it actually has no shaft play, less than the t3. manifold was made with chop saw, need to find a bigger tungsten carbide bit for the dremel. how much is it to be balanced and ----?
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i checked out the blaast webiste and its almost too good to be true. a local turbo shop told me $400 for a rebuild. ree dick you luss. :8
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#2 and #3 need to have a smooth turn, not a 90º wtf bend. Looks good though.
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Re: homemade t3/t4 combination? questionable manifold? lots of pics
Originally Posted by md95ej1
i checked out the blaast webiste and its almost too good to be true. a local turbo shop told me $400 for a rebuild. ree dick you luss. :8
I just had Blaast rebuild mine and I bought that same exact compressor set-up and bolted it to my Volvo center section with turbine side too. Instant T3/T04B. JP |
Re: homemade t3/t4 combination? questionable manifold? lots of pics
Originally Posted by md95ej1
i checked out the blaast webiste and its almost too good to be true. a local turbo shop told me $400 for a rebuild. ree dick you luss. :8
I'm sending a t3 to him for checkout. |
Re: homemade t3/t4 combination? questionable manifold? lots of pics
Originally Posted by SinisterCRX
#2 and #3 need to have a smooth turn, not a 90º wtf bend. Looks good though.
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anyone kow what trim the turbo would be? 54 or 50? |
Re: homemade t3/t4 combination? questionable manifold? lots of pics
Just put on the backplate, compressor wheel, and housing. It will be less hassle and also you don't know what kinda of play there will be if you put the T3 turbine wheel in the other CHRA. You don't need to have them balanced. |
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i think i'll go ahead and have the turbo rebuilt to be safe. the t3 has quite a bit of shaft play, one could prolly use it, but blaast is definately within budget.
hoe much better do you think an elephant manifold would flow compared to mine and the fucked up runners? |
Re: homemade t3/t4 combination? questionable manifold? lots of pics
Originally Posted by md95ej1
i checked out the blaast webiste and its almost too good to be true. a local turbo shop told me $400 for a rebuild. ree dick you luss. :8
Originally Posted by MADMAX
Just put on the backplate, compressor wheel, and housing. It will be less hassle and also you don't know what kinda of play there will be if you put the T3 turbine wheel in the other CHRA.
You don't need to have them balanced. |
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Originally Posted by BLAAST
Yeah, who cares about balancing something that spins 100 000 RPM, f*ck that! It's absolutely useless !! and shaft play is no problem at all, who cares if the wheels rub the housings a little! AFter all, they will eventually wear down to the proper size! :8
Wheels are balance seperately. If it needs rebuilt, buy a rebuild kit for $40. Besides why would he pay that much to get it rebuilt, when he could just pay a little more for a nice BRAND NEW garret hybrid and get any combination of wheels and housings. |
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Yes,
when purchased brand new from garrett, turbo wheels are balanced separately. True statement. and then when they are actually put in a turbo, material is removed from both wheels to balance their assembly with their counterpart in THAT single turbo ONLY and still, that is true only under one single assembly angle, with only one single thrust collar and nut. At that point, none of the wheels are balanced separately anymore. THey are individually out of balance. if you mix and match wheels and shafts from 2 used turbos, these unbalances sum up together to make a certainly unbalanced assembly that will prematurely wear the bearings and the seals. But don't take my word for it. You can test a randomly assembled turbo as much as you want, it will certainly work long enough to give you a taste of this hybrid and then, it will fail in a cloud of blue smoke. we are on HMT here after all: Doing stuff right is just an option. so why would he give a rebuilider 2 good turbo cores to make one good warrantied turbo for only the price of a rebuild ? -Because #1 it's cheaper than a complete new or reman garrett turbo and #2, this wheel combination may be exactly the one he wants anyway. |
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Originally Posted by BLAAST
we are on HMT here after all: Doing stuff right is just an option.
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Originally Posted by BLAAST
Yes,
when purchased brand new from garrett, turbo wheels are balanced separately. True statement. and then when they are actually put in a turbo, material is removed from both wheels to balance their assembly with their counterpart in THAT single turbo ONLY and still, that is true only under one single assembly angle, with only one single thrust collar and nut. At that point, none of the wheels are balanced separately anymore. THey are individually out of balance. if you mix and match wheels and shafts from 2 used turbos, these unbalances sum up together to make a certainly unbalanced assembly that will prematurely wear the bearings and the seals. But don't take my word for it. You can test a randomly assembled turbo as much as you want, it will certainly work long enough to give you a taste of this hybrid and then, it will fail in a cloud of blue smoke. we are on HMT here after all: Doing stuff right is just an option. so why would he give a rebuilider 2 good turbo cores to make one good warrantied turbo for only the price of a rebuild ? -Because #1 it's cheaper than a complete new or reman garrett turbo and #2, this wheel combination may be exactly the one he wants anyway. plus my grandpa gave me that t04 off a tractor a few years ago, i'd like to show him that i used it. how are your boost controllers? $20 seems too cheap |
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Originally Posted by md95ej1
i agree. i bought that t3 for $100, to4 cost me $free-fifty so for a t3/to4 .48/.60 (i think that perfect for me with room to grow) with upgraded seals. freshly rebuilt with a warrenty brings the total to $270. thats my kinda ----!
plus my grandpa gave me that t04 off a tractor a few years ago, i'd like to show him that i used it. how are your boost controllers? $20 seems too cheap Right, $270 total. He's talking about $400 for just a rebuild. If you pay that along with $100 for a couple of turbos, that comes to $500. $50 more and you'd get a brand new Garrett in any flavor of T3/T4 you want. |
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Originally Posted by MADMAX
Right, $270 total. He's talking about $400 for just a rebuild. If you pay that along with $100 for a couple of turbos, that comes to $500. $50 more and you'd get a brand new Garrett in any flavor of T3/T4 you want. |
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Originally Posted by md95ej1
$400 was a quote from a local turbo shop. total cost of both turbos and rebuild is ~$270 so i will have $270 in a rebuilt warrentied t3/to4b v trim. which is probably what i would buy if i bought one from garret.
---- for $270 total, that's a pretty good deal. |
Re: homemade t3/t4 combination? questionable manifold? lots of pics
Originally Posted by MADMAX
---- for $270 total, that's a pretty good deal. |
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Originally Posted by md95ej1
yeah it fits well in my jewish-budget turbo build
$270 is $269.99 over-budget if you're jewish. :P |
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Originally Posted by md95ej1
i agree. i bought that t3 for $100, to4 cost me $free-fifty so for a t3/to4 .48/.60 (i think that perfect for me with room to grow) with upgraded seals. freshly rebuilt with a warrenty brings the total to $270. thats my kinda ----!
plus my grandpa gave me that t04 off a tractor a few years ago, i'd like to show him that i used it. how are your boost controllers? $20 seems too cheap |
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i rock the internal wastegate.
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Oh I see.
Yeah.... opening an internal wastegate is a real bitch. better sticvk with the MBC. a HMT trick would be to plug the wastegate hose to the intake in lieu of the compressor, it will give you a few more psi because it will no longer take into account the ic pressure drop. But when doing so, make sure you use a large enough vacuum hose such as fuel hose or someting of a similar size. |
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Originally Posted by BLAAST
But don't take my word for it.
Jordy LaForge!!!! or whatever the ---- that guys real name is from reading rainbow. thats the first thing i thought of when i heard that phrase. |
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Originally Posted by MAJORAHOLE
Jordy LaForge!!!! or whatever the ---- that guys real name is from reading rainbow. |
Re: homemade t3/t4 combination? questionable manifold? lots of pics
i wish i had some shades like he had in star trek
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Originally Posted by pin
Levar Burton O0
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Yeah i saw that turbo page on reading rainbow. I did not see anything about balancing specifically but still, a bunch of good info on turbo sizing and general good to know info.
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bump
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what does the t4 come on anyway?
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diesel trucks
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the t04 came off an International tractor.
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Duh! :-\
if i would have known you would show close up pictures of it and use it as your avatar picture, I would have made it look cleaner than that... |
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its all good.. hey do you sell the 3 bolt exhaust flange for this? using internal wastegate and i cant find the right flange for my dp
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yes i do sell this flange but don't purchase it from me. it would cost more in shipping than the actual part. They sell it for 5 $ at any muffler shop. it's a standard size flange used on most any car.
or, since we are on HMT, you can also weld your dp directly on the swingvalve housing and it will become your turbine flange. :4 |
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Originally Posted by BLAAST
or, since we are on HMT, you can also weld your dp directly on the swingvalve housing and it will become your turbine flange. :4 if i cant find the flange i might. found one at atpturbo.com, way overpriced. ---- paying $20 plus shipping for a mild steel flange. the swingvalve i notcied was a little sticky. any way to lube it up? wd40? |
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yes, internal gate flappers are mounted pretty loose. if it's sticky, maybe it's seizing from a bit of rust of left over sandblast residue, sure, wd40 and making move manually will do the trick.
hit me up if in need of that outlet flange. |
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