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i am fixing to build an h22 for boost. i have been searching to see if anyone has had good luck with mahle or cp pistons on stock h22 frm sleeves. so far i have found only a small handful but none of them have many miles on the motors. does anyone know more about these sleeves?

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There is like a 11 page thread on honda-tech,(http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1406865) about the mahles, It seems at first there was some isssues regarding the fitment of aftermacket rods but there fixed that and so far there haven't been any other issues.

Don't know much about the cp's execpt that people have had problems getting in touch with them.

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i think that theres been a few boosted h22s in here but the one that comes to my mind is jeffs built h22 ek
heres the link to the thread. https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...?topic=26234.0

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ya ive seen this post...but noone has any real miles on their set up. so i was hoping someone on here might. thanks for those links guys...very much appreciated

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The actual size of the h22 sleeves are not so impressive, I'd say wait until you get your tax return and just sleeve it. I'd hate to throw rods and pistons in a block and 10k miles later the pistons are not sealing.

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i will agree that the sleeves are not impressive. i want to get 300-350whp. thats it. i know you can do that with stock internals but i dont want to risk breaking a rod bolt cause those are one of the weak links including the ring lands. if i ever intend to get more boost i will sleeve it but for that much horsepower i really dont want to spend that much money if im running conservative boost at 8-9lbs. but i do want this to be reliable and long lasting so id like to get rid of the week links by installing pistons (better ringlands) and rods (replace rodbolts). plus make the bottom end much stronger ;)

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300-350whp on a stock motor isnt to far fetched, you kinda made me wonder about the H22 rod bolts so I ran out in the garage and took a closer look at them.

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/misc/rods1.JPG

D16a/B18a B16/H22

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/misc/rods2.JPG

As you can see the H22 shares the same style/thickness rod bolt as the B16a which are definatly larger than B18a rod bolts. I've ran a couple B18's around 300whp with no rod bolt problems, and we've also had a B16a running over 350whp on stock rods, so I honestly dont think the Rod bolts would be a problem. The actual size of the rod isnt to bad either, its not enourmous, however its fairly large and I dont see any reason why it would have any problems running 350whp. ITR rods are actually smaller than h22 and B18a/b's and I've seen a few people over 350 with them as well.

As far as ringlands, well.. theres no secret here, cast honda pistons are just not that great. It's all in tuning, I'll give you an example, our Global mod and NW tuner leed has a GSR completely stock bottom end and has been running 15psi on a SC61 (dynoed at 350whp) and has been running for almost a year like this, day after day punishing the ---- out of his car and they hold up just fine. It's just all in tuning.

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/2004/b...nglandCity.JPG

It took dave a few years to fine the sweet spot of tuning though ;) lol

If I was you, I'd turbo it stock and get someone who really knows how to tune and you will probably be pretty happy.

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i been running mahle 9.1 c/p pistons in my h22 for over 6 months put around 10,000km on it and it still runs fine had it at the track a few times to

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wow guys thanks for all of this info. its very much appreciated.

about the rod bolts...i got that info from my tuner. he has tuned and built hondas for 8 years now. and that is where i got that lil bit of info from. he said that he has seen h22s go and it was either the rod bolts or the ring lands. so im just going to be safe and take care of both of those just for my own sake.

keep this good stuff coming.

to 92h22acivic

what is your set up?

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anyone else?

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98 civic lx 4 door
97 jdm h22a swap
mahle 9.1 pistons
walbro 255lph
turbonetics 62-1 BB turbo
40mm w/g
blitz bov
3x30x12 fmic
550cc injectors
s/m oil line kit
ramhorn m/f
chiped p28 with uberdata
3 bar map sensor


im getting rods and filling the block them run about 15psi

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How are you going to fill the block on the solid deck design?.. you care about cooling at all? ???

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his block is not solid. he has an open deck block. however my block is closed deck

to 92h22acivic

how much boost are you running and what kind of power did you put down?

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ahh, i looked at his screen name and assumed OBD1 and closed deck, didnt see his mod list 97 block ;)

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I'm also interested in doing what your thinking of. Mahle's don't seem to have a good rep around here, but this post is good and I guess were both wondering the same thing...how reliable are these pistons? What year Accord do you have? The ringlands are definetly a weak point and the rods and rod bolts. I really want to know how good this setup is because re-sleeving is expensive, and I'm looking for about the same 300-350hp. Anyway my car is parked for the winter, but I will be doing some more research on this setup.

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with my full 3 inch exh the car makes 250 at 5psi
it made 218 with a 2'1/4 inch it was chocking up big time couldnt even hear the v-tec kick in
im shooting for 400whp when i do the other mods this spring

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hey im also gettin an H22a1 soon and plan on boosting it, i have been reading this forum for awhile now but this is my 1st post, i saw jeff's ek and thats a hell of a nice build! Im planning to run 300whp, not much more, i talked to some guys and they say that you need to spend at least $5000 on internals to run boost safely on an h22.....is 300whp not safe at all on stock internals? I was thinking of rods/pistons and then turbo just to be safe, but since im only gonna be running about 8psi is that even necessary? Thanks a lot, great website! :)

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lol 5k on internals?? wow. is your friend a distributor of these internals you will be buying? he just wants you to buy from him

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No no i mean thats what people i have talked to been saying, im not sure how much sleeves/rods/pistons cost for an h22a1 i was thinking about $2000usd total?

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how about running some press in iron sleeve liners w/ forged pistons... its talked about in the HT mahle piston thread.

they are commonly used to fix blocks with messed up bores and they can be done for about $300 or less. if stock b and f series iron sleeves can take 300-400whp i dont see why the liners cant?

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with proper tuning an h22 will have no problem running 300hp on stock internals. The iron sleeves to work but why spend the money on them. Yes they will keep your sleeves from being scared form forged pistons but think about it. the liners are very thin, and will not add any strength to the sleeves themselves. Im going to boost mine to 325ish on stock internals. if you want to do it with stock internals, you can not spare any short cuts. get a good tuning sysyem like chrome, uberdata...or my choice hondata. im running hondata s200 and love it. so keep researching the parts, mahle makes a piston for the frm sleeves.

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i dont mean to revive a fairly old thread, however, i dont want to clog up the forum with a new one...ive been looking into h22 turbo setups for some time now, and i know the story of bad ringlands ect, my budget for a swap will be anywhere from 3500-5500 conservitivley (spelling?) my thoughts as of now are to swap in the h, save money and have it pulled built and boosted, however i dont know how much sleeving/replacing the pistons/various machine shop work will cost me and im not about to try it myself...anyone have input to help me out? and as for "why not just a bseries?" everyone has them, im looking to be more original here, and i want to try soemthing with a little more...displacement.

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SEARCH!!! go to honda-tech.com, hondaswap.com and so some searches on h22's etc...but here is a little bit of help...

well the swap from hmotorsonline.com is about 2450 shipped (at least mine was) expect to spend 300-500 to replace parts that may be broken, bad sensors, etc...its always a good idea to have a little bit of money for that. Sleeves will run you any where from 800-1200. Darton, golden eagle are some good companies. pistons and rods will cost you about 1000-1500 depending on the brands you go with. now i know that there are several companies that will sleeve, blueprint, balance, assemble and clean and inspect a motor for about 3000 as long as you provide them with the pistons and rods. I reccomend a good quality shop assemblying motors that way you dont have to worry about filing rings, measuring for clearances and tollenrances and all the other bs. honda has 7 different bearing sizes so you might was well just pay someone else to worry about all that crap.

so in sum
motor= 2450
pistons and rods=1300
assembly=3000
misc=350
turbo=400
ic=250
ic piping=100
exhaust=300
custom turbo mani=200-400
tuning system=free-500
tuner=??400at most

TOTAL: 9450.....this is what it should cost at the most.
bseries in the end will be cheaper, smaller motor = less money, smaller turbo= less money, more readily avaliable parts= less money. stick to a goal and to it!

im gonna turbo my h22.....now please remember that these numbers are only from what i have found...you may find them cheaper...or more expensive. if you go to used parts you will save a lot of money. There are others on there that have probably done this same thing for cheaper that my stated numbers above

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hmm i only wanna run 300whp, would rods and pistons be enough? also do i need to sleeve the block for the following pistons to work:

Cp Pistons.
-Comp 9.0
-Size- Standard

Crower H Beam Billet Rods

are these good pistons/rods, i can get them both for $700 shipped, new. Thanks!

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bro if your goal is 300hp your not even going to need pistons and rods...the stock motor will hold that hp very well. If you were (which I am) to replace the pistons and rods you can NOT use just any forged piston. There are specially coated pistons out there you will need to use.. for example Mahle makes a gold series piston that will work in the h series frm sleeves. Im looking for 350-400 hp with those pistons and eagle rods, arp head studs and rod bolts, as well as total seal piston rings. CP pistons WILL NOT WORK IN A STOCK SLEEVE APPLICATION. crower makes fantastic stuff, but they do make two different types of rods...one for all motor and one for forced induction...make sure you are getting the right ones.

also with pistons remember there are two different sizes of pistons a and b
correct me if im wrong...
a= 87 mm
b= 87.05mm

if all of this is new to you, you really should to more homework and buy a helms manual....they are a god send man.

the sleeves of the h-series are very strong with a good tune...there is a guy on honda-tech.com that had a 536hp h22 with a stock bottom end and cams. it ran for 8 months until a valve dropped and fucked it up for him...this should tell you that tuning is everything!!! get a good standalone like hondata or aem they are great....greddy emanage is also good along with free software like chrome....but i suggest hondata.

good luck

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hey thanks a lot for that reply :D ya im very new to turbo/building engines but i want to learn thats why im on homemadeturbo.com :) i dont just wanna run out and buy a kit and have a shop put it on for me, i want to learn how to make my own and how to install it myself, this site is very informative i love it O0

I found a tuner locally that has a 500whp boosted h22a, he is the guy im gonna go with im not gonna cheap out on tunning. Thats one of the most important things i learned here! Thanks again for the replies!