galant VR4 run 23 psi
 

hey people their this guy i know he got a galant vr4 using 16 g turbo and he say he run 23 psi and12.3 1/4 mile and his car basicly stock is this true ? stock can handle up to 23 psi ? damn that crazy

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ive seen other dsms run that much, so yea, i can believe it.

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Mitsubishi 4g63 turbo engines can take alot of abuse.They can handle up to 400-425hp with stock internals, this is on a first gen 6 bolt engine though. The later engines are somewhat weaker.

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Bullshit, simple enough.

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the motor can take it, but he still might be lying

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It's possible to do it, yes. But that ETA still seems off, maybe he's a worse driver then I'm thinking.

The early 90 VR4s are damn good boosters. Very similar motor to the Eclipse isn't it?

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it is an eclipse motor, and its a heavy car

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Is it an RS motor or the actual turbo engine without a turbo?
I can see that being very feasible, if they built the coolant channels all the same and kept the oil flows the same.

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galant vr-4s are turbo, and yes they have the same 4g63 as the 1st gen eclipses

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yup, he's probably not lying. the earlier 4g63's can take a lot of abuse. the 2nd gens limit out at around 450whp, the first gen 6 bolts can make a little bit more power. if he's got a big 16g and a few key supporting mods he could easily be in the low-mid 12's w/ some good ass driving..

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With race gas... Yea, I can believe it. The 1st gen is better/stronger.

1st gen 4g63's can handle 475whp if tuned well.

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i know 2 DSM guys running that much boost, one has a 20g turbo (bigger than the 16g of course) on his the other a 'big 16g'...

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What elevation is the original poster in?

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man but the car got like stock rim and it not striped or even a good intake and the engine is old and dirty he said he got fuel pump up grade lightin fly wheel and a reprogram ecu his engine got like 200000 miles on it lolz make 380 hp damn i don't knowif he lying i don't belive it untill i see it he even say he go about 165 mph top speed and his speedy say 145 max

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umm, looks can be deseving... i have a 88 CRX HF, it looks like an Si. the tach goes red at 5K i pull to 7K+, the cluster says it has 837,XXX miles on it.....to the average onlooker a car may 'apear stock' but it maybe modified heavly. the engine could have easily been swapped or rebuilt somewhere along the line, or it may have 200K on it (if you take car of a Japanese motor it will last forever). im pretty sure you can have a very stock looking DSM and go 11's. but personally i think this guy is a ricer and is talking out of his ass...

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The galant was built in Japan, and the DSMs were built in the US, I'd say wear and tear isn't a problem with his car..

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man wear and tear is a proplem for any car noting last for ever ! why the dsm can take so much boost ?and it hard to get a honda to do that ? honda was originaly built for N/A or something

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The 4g63T is MUCH HEAVIER ( 2 strong mother F'ers can BARELY pick one up ) due to its iron block. The iron block makes it a much better "boosting motor". I believe the 4g63 also has piston squirters like the supra and VR-4 motors to cool the pistons.

EVERYTHING in the 4g63 is beefer b/c it was built for boost. If you saw the ports on a 4g63 you'd crap yourself ( they are huge, even compared to my stealthTT heads that have a better VE then a 2Jz supra motor ).

Honda 1.8L high comprssion at best
DSM 2.0L low compression

Another problem is that no matter how many times we post that "tuning is the key" not everybody in the world sees this website ( as crappy as that sounds ) and does like my friend and slaps a FMU controller greddy kit on and turns the boost to 15psi, and then honda get "blown-up". The DSM factory ecu is very good about saving the motor. It has a factory knock sensor that retards the timing if the owner is running too much boost ( the same friend of mine ran 22psi on his girlfriends GS-T with the stock IC and T-25 turbo, the turbo is done at about 15psi, the ecu saved that motor MANY TIMES ) while the honda doesn't have a "dumbass tuner" feature built-in to say "hey, 30psi on a tiny turbo isn't going to work", the honda will just blow-up.

8sec 1/4 mile awd dsm's also use the factory AWD system !! They have to replace it almost every run, but no less they do use it. The honda would break in the 8's I'm pretty sure.

The honda was built to run 1,000,000+ miles in N/A formm while the DSM was built to run about 60K miles then the car falls apart around the drivetrain. DSM have about the same "build-quality" as a older neon ( THEY SUCK ). THe only DSM that doesn't fall apart around the stout drive train is the galant VR-4, any guesses as to why ??
It was built in Japan like the CRX.

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yeah everyone know that if something is built in japan it will last longer. just of the magical air in japan. just be the radiation left over from the two atom bombs.

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Either the radiation or the fact the average american employee is worthless.....

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here is the plain fact reason most hondas last forever.

they make ~100hp and have miniture engines. less moving parts/less heat (HP makes heat)/less stress on the drivetrain (no power).

thats the reason. all the high revving engines honda makes will not last as long as you think a honda engine should. especially if noone adjusts the valves.

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Hehe, he's prob. right, but I doubled my HP on my civic and didn't break anything, while I sold my 5.0 mustang b/c I broke 2 T-5 trannys in 6 months with a stock 5.0 motor ( with BFG drag radials, and cobra clutch ).

My friends GS-T has been though all that abuse for about 120K miles now ( they got it a 47K ) and its never seen less than 15psi. Not one motor problem ( minus the turbo needing replaced, which it now has a B16G ). In the mean time the door handles have broken off of both doors twice ( total 4 ), the windiws in EVERY DSM rattles like crazy, and there are many other "ford focus" type problems that the DSM have, yet the bad ass motor is built in Japan.
92+ hondas are built in the US I think.
My saturn is a domestic to the bone and it kicks ass, I beat the crap outta it, but the interoir and exteroir is going to ----.. But my focus is the oppisite, the motor/tranny sucks ass, while the interior is sweet.

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usually revs are what wear on engines. those turbo dsms rev to like ~6500 right?

there are lots and lots of car & trucks that last forever. my grandpa has a 68 truck, with the same engines and tranny and 4x4 stuff in it. never had to do anything to it except and alternator. i dunno if he even changes the oil

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dsm = 7000rpms like the d16a6.
The stealth TT cams and valve train are good till 8300rpms from the factory !!! Some guys upgrade the valve train and turn them to 9300rpms !!!! But that's a totally off topic thing...

Buicks redline at llike 5600rpms, but made 275Whp and 375LBS. of torque from the factory !!

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buicks? not all of them :P

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What the dash says and when it stops making power is too different things.

I speak of the only buick that matters of course the GN.

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there are lots of old buick muscle cars that matter. :)

the 80s quad 442 is one of the faster 4cyl cars i've ever seen. i seen then run 14 flat/high 13s at the track all the time. with stock exhaust and everything. i was so suprised when i saw the 4cyl in there and they were runnin those times. GSR what?