Echo hatchback w/ RHb5?
 

Alright... Let me introduce myself since I'm new. :)

My name's Dan and I live in Quebec, Canada.
I bought myself the new Echo hatchback that's sold here in Canada. It's pretty much the same thing as the American Scion Xa. Same engine, different body ect..

I'm looking at turbocharging my 1.5L Vvt-i. I've been sugested the RHb5 Mazda MX-6 turbo since it spools fast and boosts at decent rpms. Anyways... keep in mind I'm quite new to the turbo scene and don't know too much about them.

I'm not sure if anybody here is overly familiar with the 1NZ-FE Toyota engine, but some input on if this is feasable or not would be great. Some pointers ect..
I'm looking for up to 6-8 psi. I hope nobody's got anything against Echo's! :P

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Sounds like a bad ass project.. im running a 1.5 honda motor and id recommend the t25.. they are easier to get parts for and is slightly larger than the rhb5. i hit boost (8psi) at about 3200-3500rpm..

not sure what you can do about engine management, though

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I think I've gotten a pretty good price on the mx-6 turbo though... And there's a mazda-scrapyard here... so may have an abundance of parts there.

Yeah the engine management is what I was afraid of... there's tons of stuff for honda engines on the market... I'm not sure if there's anything out there to take care of the vvt-i though... maybe some things that were designed for lexus cars? Wonder if there's any such thing...

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What's your compression ratio?

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The engine is new so you wouldn't find a lot...I think most new toyota's use returnless fuel delivery.

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blitz in japan makes a supercharger for that, try serching for vitz on the net thats what there called in nipper land.

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Compression is 10.5:1


Do you mean try and find out what Blitz uses for fuel management?

The whole reason I'm looking at the MX-6's turbo is to not spend 3500$+tx and shipping... ::)

I'm looking for a little boost, nothing huge.

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Does the echo have a MAF sensor? if not, you may be able to pull a safc hack or something. if it does have a maf sensor you'll probably need to look for a way to re-program the computer

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Yes, I didn't mean buy their kit, they have been out in japan for a few years now, you can get lots of ---- for them. I thought about building one but decided against it.

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what part of quebec u from?

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Yeah, the Echo has a MAF sensor

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Yeah I know... Echo's in Japan are like Civic's in North-America! :P The hatchback has been around since... 99? (I think)

I'll check Blitz out and see what they use... Maybe even TRD.

Hehehe yeah... modifying an Echo is quite a bit harder than Honda / Acura if for nothing else than the lack of parts locally! ::)

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Montreal. You around here too?

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Laval

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Cool, not far at all.


Anyways, I tried checking some sites for the parts used in the Blitz kits but am having trouble finding the kit for the Echo. I have a gut feeling that the Blitz kit is a supercharger kit rather than a turbo kit...

Anybody know where to find the proper info?

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::)

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Well.. looked up the Blitz and TTE superchargers. Hmm... around 6000$-9000$cdn if I were to get it shipped ect..
Also... the supercharger is less power (although it's linear which would be nice ;D)

Where as if I play my cards right, maybe a turbo for under 2000$cdn... (if I get things from the scrap and buy some used ::))

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Hmmm.... found this;

http://www.hopupracing.com/grtukittoscx.html

Didn't know Greddy made a kit for my engine! I wonder if it will fit my chassis...

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elprototypes has a kit for the Scion with the same engine, it's been in the mags and their is plenty of info. in the Scion forums, I think it's over $3k USD.

Personally, if I had a brand new car (been thinking of buying an echo hatch for commuting), I wouldn't skimp on too much junkyard stuff, I'd probably go with a log mani, with a small external gate with a 4 psi spring and a new Garrett T25. For engine management, an EIC (www.sdsefi.com). If you used an aquamist instead of an IC you could probably leave your timing as is. This is a setup I've been thinking about for a while. An S-AFC would work too, with a little bigger injectors, but I like the EIC more for a low boost setup since you don't have to butch the wiring harness, which would void your warranty.

Good luck

Neil

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Lol I understood that almost as much as a Japanese site. :-[ Lol... Yeah I'm a little new to this. :P

I'm not sure about this EIC... sounds like it's more or less for those who know a little bit more about what they're doing. I'm not too worried about my warranty either, I'm pretty putting a turbo on the car is gunna void it anyways. :-\

What am I looking at on a setup like this; psi wise? and $$ wise?

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Hehehe yeah I saw that. They don't have a price on the kit though...