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BigJ 11-29-2004 08:54 PM

A different HMT install
 
Well, the other day I decided to skip class and turbo my buddies Mk II Golf. It took a hell of a lot longer than I orginally planned....22 HOURS STRAIGHT!!!! So, I ended up skipping two days worth of school.

Here is a picture of the engine bay before the install. We had already upgraded a few things, 210-320cc injectors from a G60, GTi exhaust header + downpipe, 2 1/8" exhaust with no cat, BMW MAF, and a new chip for his ecu.
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/1.jpg

Here is the original base manifold (bottom) we took off earlier and the MX-6 manifold (top).
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/2.jpg

A pic of the BMW MAF, I guess it would have been smarter to take a pic of the stock one with the BMW one so that you could see the different in size. The BMW MAF is 50% larger and plugs right in.
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/3.jpg

Here is the IHI turbo, bought it off chris aka spoon fed.
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/4.jpg

The HMT style manifold. ;D This part took far long to make fit. If one thing didn't get in the way it was another. I hope the cast holds, I tried to get decent penetration in the cast, but we all know cast shouldn't be welded. :-\
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/5.jpg

The turbo mounted on the engine, finally. You can see how close the intake is to the rear mount. The red silicone was used to re-seal the housing after I took it apart to clean it. There was no gasket, and there already was silicone on it so I figured it really didn't matter. The exhaust was really close to the shift linkage assembly, you can't see it all that well but that was a bitch as well.
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/6.jpg
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/7.jpg

Intake manifold installed, I'm not a fan of non-cross flow heads, but the turbo fit so what do I care. The intake was also installed. GO K&N!!!
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/8.jpg

The oil return was pretty simple, here is a pic of the pan with the steel pipe I used. (known to some as gas pipe)
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/9.jpg

What an abortion of a downpipe this was, it was extremely tight with the steering rack in the way of the O2 housing. I was getting tired and we both wanted this to project to get completed soon.
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/10.jpg

This was the solution for getting the compressed air into the engine. The main problem was the odd throttle body casing that VW uses. It is two flappers one small and one large so the casting is an odd egg shape. We ended up using the stock rubber intake pipe.
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/11.jpg

Here is it in all its glory. A turbo DigiFant II. You can see the brass fitting for the oil feed on the right of the head. The blowoff/recirc valve is ontop of the oil fill, it was punked from an early 90's mark 3 supra.
http://www.hamco.ca/Extra/12.jpg

All in all it wasn't that bad of a project. For management the digifant can see the equivalent of ~6-8 psi which is in the ballpark of what we are running. Overall costs where dirt cheap.

Turbo, and mani - 50
O2 housing, and downpipe - 35
oil lines and misc fittings - 60
BMW MAF - 35
Injectors - 80
ECU upgrade - 40
total - ~295 canadian

I figure that this pretty damn HMT style.

The car drives well, the torque increased drastically and the powerband is extremely smooth now. Because of the shitty manifold design and the restrictive downpipe the top end isn't that grand but still much better than before. Bottom line is he is pretty happy with it, and it didn;t blow up so that is good for now. ;D

tranceminister 11-29-2004 08:58 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
Very cool. It's good to see something different someone's been working on. Those things are deffinately torque hogs, or at least the newer ones are.

B16Drag 11-29-2004 08:59 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
much props for staying HMT style

R-MAK 11-29-2004 08:59 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
i was gonna turbo my sprint, but its carb/fi, so i think ill just leave that alone. but i found a swift gt block, so i think ill have some fun.

HMT-Admin 11-29-2004 09:02 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
badass.. nice HMT setup you got there!

87na_rx7 11-29-2004 09:02 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
i bet that thing boost's quick as hell, small turbo with very lil charge pipe

BigJ 11-29-2004 09:07 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
Wow, you guys get on posts quick as hell.

yeah, the boost comes in before 2k which surprised the hell out of me.

spoon fed 11-29-2004 09:08 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
good work!!!! your mama must be proud

R-MAK 11-29-2004 09:10 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 

Originally Posted by spoon fed
good work!!!! your mama must be proud

or pissed off since he missed 2 days of skool :P

spoon fed 11-29-2004 09:11 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
^^^ hahaha good point Travis

MikeJ-2009 11-29-2004 09:34 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
Good ----. I was completely ready for this thread to be a story with no pictures, but you pulled it off in true gangsta fashion. :)

robs99si 11-29-2004 09:39 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
that rhi is a good turbo since those vws' don't rev as high
setup looks good. i'd put a dsm side mount intercooler at ground level, next to the turbo just for cooler intake.

spoon fed 11-29-2004 09:46 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
are you using the MX-6 IC?? if not can i have it back? :-* :-* :-*

HondaTuner 11-29-2004 09:59 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
Nice setup man, nice to see something different around here :D

Spenser 11-30-2004 12:40 AM

Re:A different HMT install
 
thats ------- rad man!!!! does it break em loose in first now 8)

djfob 11-30-2004 02:12 AM

Re:A different HMT install
 
truely a nice hmt setup and damn that engine bay is asking for something huge

BigJ 11-30-2004 08:00 AM

Re:A different HMT install
 
For the IC we want to use the MX6 one, but the AC has to be removed, and the front end has to come off to get at the evapourator coil. We where running late to begin with and that just seemed like to much work at that time.

As for breaking them loose, YES! If your on the throttle traction is close to nothing in first gear. The car isn't fast but still much faster than it was. I want to see him go a VR6 golf for a good comparison.

stillnoturbo 11-30-2004 08:17 AM

Re:A different HMT install
 
Did that mx6 manifold bolt right on? Nice setup btw! Nice to see something different.

SpankedYA! 11-30-2004 03:02 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
Shouldn't the MAF go on the outlet side of the turbo?

jeffescortlx 11-30-2004 05:44 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 

Originally Posted by stillnoturbo
Did that mx6 manifold bolt right on? Nice setup btw! Nice to see something different.

He modified the stock VW one, welded a turbo flange on it.

bumblezc 11-30-2004 06:11 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
Did the mx-6 mani bolt up before he swapped?

As for management and chips? where did you get that?

The reason i ask is my friend in kitchener has been bugging me to do his 90 gti.

BigJ 12-01-2004 01:33 AM

Re:A different HMT install
 

Did the mx-6 mani bolt up before he swapped?
Nope, kinda in the ballpark port wise but no way to attach it to the head. Plus the turbo won't sit right if you use that mani.


As for management and chips? where did you get that?
He got the chip from egay, it came from europe, I believe. The stock cpu can handle up to ~6-8 psi of boost based on the MAF tables. The chip is required to use the G60 injectors which I'm sure you would need.

J-SMITH69 12-01-2004 07:25 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 

Originally Posted by CSaddict
Shouldn't the MAF go on the outlet side of the turbo?

MAF goes on the inlet of the compressor.

crxdan 12-06-2004 06:56 PM

Re:A different HMT install
 
thats cast will hold. I idid the same thing and no problems at all.

RENR 12-07-2004 01:06 AM

Re:A different HMT install
 
that is true hmt. i love it


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