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I live in a bullshit city called lexington, Kentucky. All I need to complete NA to stage III are charge pipes. ----! these sheep rapers are like "a terbow ona honda?" Shoot me Shoot me Shoot me. I have been looking for some person with a little bit of confidence and a Mandrel, to make my ---- go fast. I'm a desperate man- for I have turbo fever in a land that doesn't grasp forces induction. The 4X4 and V8 stereotypes are not lies. I need to make charge pipes so I can show these cow tippers how a Honda stomps a
slo-maro. >:(

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Make em yerself.. :) . A few JC Whitney bends, a cut-off saw, and a bit of welding later, you have your very own mandrel bent charge pipes in any configuration you want ;D

http://www.rpiracing.com/composimo/bbt_engine2.jpg

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Thanks, you just saved the life of the next redneck that says " I kant mayke charge pipes; they go behind the catalytic converter." Yes, that has happened more than once in my search of charge pipes. By the way, great engine shot; if that was in a magazine I would have siezed the pages together.Hey, where's your plug wires? I have a crazy idea; tell me if it will work. Would I be able to run 2.5in silicone hose as my charge pipes, or is it back to JC WHITNEY to buy some mandrel bends?

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Hey, where's your plug wires?
They're out chillin on the bench... that tranny is fairly broken, so the car is taking a break right now getting some thingss done to it ;)

Would I be able to run 2.5in silicone hose as my charge pipes, or is it back to JC WHITNEY to buy some mandrel bends?
Well, judging by your "na to stage lll" comment, i would say "no... it would not be the best idea". But could it work? Yea, it could work. I would use the silicone hose as connectors, because obviously you won't be able to make those charge pipes all 1 piece.. hehe. The charge pipes don't cost much, and even if you have to pay someone to do the welding, you can still mark off where they need to go (or get a really small welder for cheap, and just tack-weld the pipes together and then take those in to get welded... then the "V8 guys" can't mess up the welds).

Hope that helps some!

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your comments about v8s are retarded at best.
you're talking about a slow-maro, which obviously is totally stock. if someone put a turbo on a camaro and ran the same amount of boost you will be running on your car, it would be much faster. more CI = more potential. just the facts :/

my chevelle would run <= 11s with some fatty slicks and 15 pounds of boost. the sky is the limit from there. that is on stock pistons and using stock exhaust manifolds as turbo manifolds. add high performance pistons/rods/crank 20 pounds of boost and a 200 shot of nitrious and you have a car so fast the only thing a honda can do to compare is measure the speed at which that rod just flew through your block and out the hood.

Johnny

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Woah, are deem der accel plug wires?? And is that one of dem holley double pumpers??lol
Anyone else tired of seeing these pics???? ::)
This is HomeMadeTurbo not Popular Hot Rodding!!

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i'm here cause i'm turbocharging my crx, and probably my going to turn my chevelle into a twin turbo big block super-street dragster.

that chevelle with its $120 headers a $199 intake manifold and a $300 dollar carb would anihilliate your turbocharged crx. sorry but its the facts. i like cars, any cars. performance is performance even if it is on a slightly smaller scale.

with the amount of money ComposiMo has into that crx, he could've built a 9 second dragster. but it all depends on what you're into. i'm into both, so whats your problem?

and no those aren't accel plug wires, and only one of those carbs is a double pumper, the other one has vacuum secondaries.

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Sigh, please dont turn this into a honda-bashing board!

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This board should definately not have any bashing in it of other makes besides Honda... lets all remember, that the name of this site is "Home Made Turbo"... not "Home Made Honda Turbos with nothing else allowed!". And by the way, while i may have a few "purchasable" parts on my car, i do consider it relatively "home-made"... charge piping, the hand-made turbo manifold, pieced together and not bought as a kit, etc.

And as for:

"with the amount of money ComposiMo has into that crx, he could've built a 9 second dragster."

I'm working on that "9 second dragster" actually... except mine will be street drivable/legal/driven, and it'll happen to wear a Honda badge ;) She definately ain't finished yet.. hehe.

I don't care about whether the cars here are Honda's or other makes... its all about being an automotive enthusiast. I grew up around V8's... i know their potential, yet i still choose to work with Hondas. It's not that i'm "dumb for modifying a Honda"... it is that i enjoy a challenge, and quite frankly, these modified Honda's are more fun to drive (to me) than a V8 monster... but thats just my opinion 8)

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i totally agree with you. i love all cars.

it is that i enjoy a challenge, and quite frankly, these modified Honda's are more fun to drive (to me) than a V8 monster... but thats just my opinion

i agree with this too. i get ---- from some people saying i should just build another muscle car. but everyone already knows my muscle cars are fast, i want to build something different and that doesn't really standout as a fast car. thats why i want to turbo my crx.

one good thing about FI cars is that you can drive them on the street easier. and fast too. since they're don't gain massive amounts of hp and tourqe until the turbos have spooled. unlike a build v8/supercharged/ even turbocharged v8, they have too much power at the bottom and most of the time if you want to go fast you gotta have slicks.

i like to drive NA v8 powerhouses a little more because you can have power at the bottom, and you don't have to spool up a turbo and go 60mph in a 35mph zone to prove that your car is fast.

i can cruise down the highway in 4th at 55mph, then shift hard into 3rd and spin out if i wanted to (on street tires). thats always fun.

both turbocharged 4cy and all v8 NA and FI are fun to drive. i like them both. some people like hybrid are just rice and think their car is the best and fastest car in the history of the world. no matter what you do to a car there is always something faster out there.

nascar uses small block engines. they rev to like 12k-15k or around there i believe. it is a total misconspection that a v8 will not rev as high as a 4cy. the 400sb in my camaro starts floating valves at 8000, but loses poop at 7500.

in conclusion hollywood is leading our kids down a moral sewer. and all cars are fun to build and drive!

little simpsons humor.!

Johnny

exxxxxxxcellent
http://www.crpud.net/~jbliss/burns.gif

btw i like that manifod. its crazy, really impressive to look at.

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Well, a "standard" V8 won't rev as high as reliably as a modern Honda engine... BUT it isn't that it is a 4 cylinder or anything, it is because of the valvetrain (pushrods and all). One neat mod i saw while hanging out with my "V8 Hot Rod Buds" at a meet in Cali, was a guy who made overhead cam conversion kits for almost all pushrod V8's... with this setup, i'd trust a V8 to rev high, very reliably.

By the way, i have a comment on something you said:

"nascar uses small block engines. they rev to like 12k-15k or around there i believe."

They are definately not revving those engines that high. 9500 or so i can believe, but definately not 10k+ unless they mis-shift or something... LoL. Watch the Tach's on TV(or the on-board telemetry they give you on Fox)... oh, wait a minute... does that mean i jusst admitted to watching NASCAR?!?!? aaaarrrrgggghhh!! ROFL!

Anyhoo, life goes on... lets all get along and make all our cars fast as hell ;D

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as i understand it, the new mustangs have OHC engines. all the ones except the saleen or cobras as SOHC. and the supercharged ones are DOHC.
i saw it on horsepower tv! :)

pretty cool.

Johnny

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as i understand it, the new mustangs have OHC engines

I'm sure that there is a good reason for it... hehe ;)

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you're talking about a slow-maro, which obviously is totally stock. if someone put a turbo on a camaro and ran the same amount of boost you will be running on your car, it would be much faster. more CI = more potential. just the facts :/

you must remember also i could say that, if my hondas engines were that big itd be making 120 hp/per liter na stock/ (k20a honda s2000 motor)i dunno standard chevy engine displacements in metric but i know there generally bigger then fords, 120 hp/ 6 liters = 720 na ponies stock from a 6 liter v8 son! ---- son! those k20a motors are cocked to the side angularly ne wayz, jsut get another one in then and some how make up the rest of the 2 liters displacement siamese them bitches at the bottom home made stylez,
and i hope no one takes what i said "TO SERIOUS"
thanx in advance
Merry Xmas!!
-Toby

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I'm not trying to knock your car random (i used to own a 72 chevelle ss, and would love any 60's model camaro) but damn, quit posting the damn things all over the forum. I'm sure by now everyone on the site knows what you have, no need for CONSTANT reminders. Thanks mr G.I. JOE.

This was in response to a post that has now been removed, in case anyone was lost...

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oh, and seeing as i had a big block powered 72ss I know for a fact that that small block powered 2 ton beast you got there prob. wont hang with most of the imports driven by members of this forum. Good luck however with the turbo project on your old school....

I know Jeff, I know....I'll quit now.....

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My point is not to bash V-8's; I would like one. My point is that these people are not educated enough to even look at my car to make charge pipes. Plus the only people that have nice muscle cars are the people that work at the car parts places. I love their cars, but all that they run is nitrous. I would like to see turbos on cars, but other than rigs and an occasional import, the only other vehicles running boost are work trucks. They are nice trucks; I'm just upset that no one will give me the time of day to even consider welding these things.I'm going to get some flexible ducting and make a model of the angles that need. I can rent a welder and an over-arm saw from home depot. Mark my angles and spot weld them. I guess you can't screw-up something if it's already welded in place. Thanks for all the help; I didn't want to piss any V-8 enthusiasts off. :)

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its hardly a beast. it weighs like 3200 pounds.

it runs 12s NA with slicks. add whatever boost someone else is running in their crx and that number would keep falling.
if i had some real slicks instead of street slicks it would run 11s. go find a horsepower calc and type in 3200lbs 12.0 E.T. it only gives you 400hp. that camaro has 500. and about 500ft-lbs t. thats less than 12s. with PERFECT traction of course.
i ran a 13.4 with street tires WITHOUT launching (i started at idle) and easy through 1st, didn't speed shift into second and had it floored from there. i smoked a supercharged saleen mustang. well not smoked it ran 13.6 but he had slicks. considering he was 2 cars ahead of me when i shifted into 2nd and i ended up passing him, thats pretty good

here is the only timeslip i could find. its a pathetic 13.9 when i ripped the HURST shifter knob off shifting into second. then missed 3rd and 4th gear trying to shift when the without a handle. im kinda empbarrsed to show this but you can see the pathetic 60 foot time (no slicks) and the pathetic trap speed (missed 3rd and 4th). you can see that i was at 78mph at the 1/8th mile, and only 94 through the traps! hows that work! :/ still ran 13.9, but at 94mph? sounds funny cause its not supposed to be like that. can't miss gears and ---- lol :/

if you enter 3200lbs, 13.9 E.T., 94mph. into a horsepower calculator. it gives you 236HP! when that car has 500. embarrsing

http://www.crpud.net/~jbliss/pics/time_slip.jpg

look how fast i caught up to that car when i was behind 2 seconds through 60 feet and only behind 4 tenths at 330 feet. he had slicks too, and ran a 12.7

building a sbc is so cheap too. way cheaper than turbocharging a honda (the right way :P)

ghetto junkyard turbo kits are cheap and thats why we're here.

you shouldn't call people hicks cause they like muscle cars. those guys that didn't know what charge pipes were are just stupid they probably knew what they were they just didn't want to do it.

ohh ninja:
if you check out some pro-street dragsters. a lot of them use turbochargers, even some REAL dragsters (the long ones) are starting to use twin turbos. its starting to catch on, but you have to realise that turbocharging is a very old technology. its been around forever, and supercharging/nitrious is a superior method of making a engine think its bigger. turbocharging adds way to much heat and hassle, when you could just bolt on a supercharger and have power throughout the rpm range. same with nitrious. but i think turbos are really cool still, thats why i want to use them.

Johnny

oh btw. 72 chevelle ss 454. 454ci 270bhp. hardly powered for a 4500 pound car :)


http://www.crpud.net/~jbliss/pics/72_chevelle.jpg

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They are both very nice looking cars though Random! Is the maro your as well??? Looks like you've got alot of time and money in it!!

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acually, the camaro was built by my father and I. he put the money into it though. big time money making a show car like that especially a show car that can scoot.

the chevelle is mine though.

Johnny

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Yo im likely to stir some crap up with this comment but what the heck..

I disagree completly about the 8 cyl boosted beats a 4 cvyl boosted... Look at the car they both go into... A honda is small and light.. A maro is a pig.. and a chevvell is even bigger and heavier... Its all about power to weight ratio not hp in general..

A lighter boosted 4 cyl car is likely to be faster than a heavy boosted iron pig...

This goes way back... Porshe, Jaguar, Ferrari, e.t.c. all build light small powerfull cars that will torture most muscle cars.. and these are stock what if they are built...?

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It would be a baaad boooy. naw wit sayin' ;)

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check again wilf

diablo all stock: 12.8
c5 corvette all stock: ~12.5?

little off but they're very close.

vette is about 150 grand cheaper too

Johnny

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I'm very sorry, but no matter how much i loove working on these Honda's, i can EASILY without breaking a sweat (or my bank account), make a V8 car go a HELL of a lot faster than a 4cylinder dollar for dollar.. or ----, give you $1.00 to every $0.50 i put into a V8, and i'll still whoop up on ya.

Of course this is assuming that we are talking about drag racing. There is no argument that can be made that will make a built 4 cylinder engine out run a built V8 at the strip.

If all i wanted to do was go really really fast in the 1/4, i would have been going in the 9's already with a V8 and less than $5k in my car. So, with my Honda, i'm going slower, and spending more money doing it... doesn't make sense, does it? LoL. But i'll tell ya what, what makes it fun, is how these imports drive.

Now, just one more example to put this all into perspective... if we are talking about a CRX with over $10,000 put into it running against a bone-stock Vette with nothing done to it, of course the CRX will win, because it is built. BUT, if you were to take away the cost of entry amount, and then give both drivers $10,000 to put in their car, then i can guarantee that the Vette will outrun that CRX all day long. Keep in mind, it still doesn't matter that i only have roughly $12,000 into my car total, and he has $30,000 into his car... what matters is the amount put into it. He has a car that goes just as fast as mine, its nicer, has A/C/leather/stereo, and can pick up chicks MUCH easier with it... speaking of which, WHY am i building a honda again?!?!? arrrgh... haha.

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My thoughts on this are, yes tons of torque is very nice, but the nimbleness (don't know if thats a word, but you get the idea ;)) of a crx is far more fun.

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you guys also have to keep in mind the fact that pulling things has always been easier to do than pull things. along with the power to weight ratio. but if you have a boosted v8 or v6 it will (sorry to say) go faster than any boosted 4 cylinder. my buddy and i are building his crate 350 v8 at 320hp in and el-camino. when we are done it will be pushing over 700hp at 10psi. my honda at 10psi would theoreticaly be pushing close to 300hp. both motors are stock internals just turboed. built both would push tons more hp. my buddy and i are also in the works of building a turbo v6 srtoker motor. the will be estimated to be pushing around 450hp in a feiro. we will get back with the results when the project is finished. seeing as how the feiro weighs close if not more than a honda. future updates to come.