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I originally wanted to get a b-series swap then put a big turbo one, but now I realize that I don't have any money. I am thinking about just turboing my 88 hatch dx with the stock d15b2. The only thing jeff seems to do with them is blow them, so is this a good idea? should I just save up and buy the b-series later? my main goal is to kill all stupid ricers and muscle cars. I also want to kill people at the track and show the laidies my 12 second time slips. any advice will be appreciated.

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well that is ur decision there....i would rather have a b16 over a dx d15...just a preference...or even a d16 over the d15....but it also is dual point injection...so there would be some work there to make power..but it has been done ...just look at the turbo projects on this web page...

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DPFI to MPFI is easy..

Gathering all the right parts might be a chore..

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good luck beating any kind of "muscle" car with a stock d15. you'd have to make like 200 or more hp to compete with a all stock corvette or a ss camaro.

you may be able to beat one with a b series with like 10 pounds of boost on it or something.

also good luck getting in the 12s on a stock b, and a stock d... out the question.

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Set a goal FIRST. You'll actually save money this way! Woohoo.

A stock D15 with 12 pounds of boost will just barely skim under 14 seconds with a good driver. I would either get a ZC or D16a6 (build it up a little) and run 10-12 PSI with intercooler, FMU and injectors.

After my Turbo A6 goes, I'm dropping in a built ZC to run 12 PSI. I'm sticking to it too!

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Ditto...^^^^^


You are going to have to work you ass off man and I mean it.You needa save for a b16 and build it up..That d series you got with a turbo on it will blow like a hooker with a million dollas..Good advice;;;SAVE YOUR MONEY!!>:)

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I blew one DX man, and I tried several times on purpose to blow it up.

All my motors blew is because they had some serious boost. Run a resonable amount of boost and you will be fine.

B-series is always a better platform, but not everyone has the cash for a B-series, that is why cheap little turbokits are fun.

Jeff

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I say go get yourself a sohc zc or a d15b vti vtec motor motor and swap it in. Cheap swap then think about some F.I. I ran 13.30's on a vti motor with bolt ons and a 75 shot with a zex kit and have never had any problems so d series motors are a descent platform.

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spend the 800 u would spend on a b16a or whatever on some sleeves and run over 15psi. i am sure u could get some good numbers with a d series pushing 20psi..

need some rods to.

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15-20 psi would become another project ;D

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i ran 15.4 with a stock DPFI civic HB with a 75 shot. My best is 15.1 with MPFI and 75 shot, a clutch and slicks would get me into the low 14s- high 13's, but 12's is just unrealistic, at least get a D16A6.

DSM turbo 15 psi
Really thick copper gasket from SCE
450cc injectors
FMIC
Water/alcoy injection
boost timing retard
slicks and GOOD clutch, you could mabe bust a 12 sec et. But don't think the motor is going to last forever...

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a guy on SHO claims to have run 11s with a d15, so I don't think that 12s are impossible. jeff, I didn't mean anything bad by saying all you seem to do is blow them, I noticed that you tried to kill them, and you knew they would die. I haven't set on a goal yet, that's why I posted because I "can't decide" I need to find my goal. After reading your replies, and talking to my older brother who has done plenty of things the wrong way, so he must know by now, says that I should save up for the b-series (I hope to get an 18 or 20), then do everything right, and very slowly so I don't mess up, so that I will have a beastly car in a half decade or so.

A new question: what do you think I would have to do to beat a lude with bolt ons, it is one of the newer ones. would fi be a requirement, or could I do it with some mean weight reduction and basics?

do those electric blowers actually get any horsepower at all, the little tech thing on the front page wasn't real clear on whether or not it gave power, I know it's a piece of crap, but if it will give me 10 hp, I'll use it for one race, or more, plus if I paint it it could be a show piece.

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err, you can run 11s on a SOHC d15, with built rods/pistons/block. no one said you couldn't.

Refer to step 3:
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/tech_projects/el_blower/

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haha..

Honestly If you dont feel like saving the money for a B-series go ahead and turbo your DX, its alot of fun man..

Jeff

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Single Overhead Cam ZC? Uhm.. ..right..

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"It caused more of a restriction than anything. Not to mention it sounds really stupid. Its More like -10hp"
so which is it? did it cause restriction (which I think would rob horse power) or give 10hp?
I'm undecided about alot of things right now, one of them remains what to do with my car, as of now it's nothing because I'm lazy and have no money.
what would be the average and high-low cost of building a d series, and building a b series?

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-10hp would be LOSING power....

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I say go get yourself a sohc zc or a d15b vti vtec motor motor and swap...



Single Overhead Cam ZC? Uhm.. ..right..

um there most certianly a sohc zc basicly just an a6 but with higher compression

Beau

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Do you have the specs on that engine? Isn't the fact that it's a ZC make it DOHC? Even the "American ZC" from the Integras are DOHC.

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no they're not...the sohc zc's are from the older integras to the best of my knowledge

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What I would do is swap in a SOHC VTEC, MPFI components are a bitch to get a hold of yes but worth it and these would be needed regardless.
B16A into a EF isn't all that anyways, adding a 4-1 headder is a bitch. I would spring for atleast a D16 or B18A "91 -93" LS/RS.
Now if you want 12 second slips and reliability shop around for an S13 240SX and get an SR before prices rise! Stock swap you should get 14's easily, spend a little $ and you got your 12's but then you will be in a constant battle for traction.

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in JDM land, they didnt have the D16a6, they called it the ZC, the ZC is a huge breed of D-series for JDM cars.. all the way from 86 to 92. Some pre obd, some obd0 and obd1. Some single cam, some twin cam.. and even the rare single cam Vtec ZC. ZC's are All 1.6l's and all have the same crank/rods. (even some had Twin Carb setups...)

Jeff

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AAaaahh.. That's awesome. Thanks for the info. I stand corrected. ;D

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I still haven't made up my mind, but I've learned a few things, and that's important. I'm leaning toward just saving for a b-series swap. can anybody give me an idea of the cost of building a b-series: sleeves (and what else needs to be done with sleeving) rods, pistons, valve train, crank (would it be necessary?), and anything else you can think of. All you replies are appreciated.

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for less than half the price you could have way over 200 hp in a d series. this is myt plan. my kit is days from being completed. total cost of my kit was $500 and i am expecting some 13 second slips in the spring.