Ball Bearing vs Conventional - ssautochrome rip-off
 

How can you tell the difference between a ball-bearing turbo, and the other types (thrust, sleeve journal, whatever - I don't even know)? Is it possible to tell just by looking at it? I just sold one at auction on EBAY, but someone emailed me to tell me that my ball-bearing turbo isn't! :o I just want to know if he is screwing with me or if he is right. If he is right, I can't in good conscience complete this sale, so I need to know! Can anyone please help? :-\

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I think you mean BUSHING STYLE, right? Cause im almost postivive that all mitsu turbo's are bushing style. Please correct me if im wrong anyone.

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he's probably right, if there is an oil feed and oil drain, then it's not a ball bearing turbo.

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ball bearing ones just use the bearings and grease right?

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Nope. They use oil also, just not as much. Some of them (bb turbos) might be dry I think, but the garrett gt series all use oil amongst others.

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no BB section is "dry"

unless u mean aerocharger that has its own oil resevoir..

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its not dry obviously

GREASE

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Ball bearing turbo's uhmmm some newer IHI's Garret G25 bla bla and de GT-series(really expensive)

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I have a brand new garrett ball bearing turbo sitting in my garage and it has oil lines just like a normal turbo. If you spin the wheel you can instantly tell the difference. If ou just spin the wheel with your fingers it stays spinning for about 20 seconds compared to the 3 seconds a ceramic turbo spins

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Looks like nobody can tell me anywhere I posted what to look for (and yes, t3 turbos do come with ball bearing options, and yes they do need oil). Finally I took the turbo apart to see for myself. No ball bearings in sight. Just a couple of big, brass thrust bearings. Watch out for ssautochrome. Not only do they sell cheap crap. They lie about their products so you will buy them. I'm not completing the sale unless he wants a regular t3/t4, and maybe not even then. I really want to tear ssautocrap up over this. They'd better be ready to give me my money back.

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Complete the sale? Didn't you already pay? What happened?
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i think he bought it from ssautocrap because they told him it was ball bearing. now he's trying to sell it and found out that it's not. i think that's what he's saying??

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that is it.
>:(

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Oh damn, that sucks. I hate that SSautochrome guy. He sucks. I can't believe egay lets him stay with all the negative comments he has. That's so wrong. >:(
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Tell me about it. When I originally bought my parts from them, I got an email saying that I had to give positive feedback before I'd get feedback. That ticked me off because I suddenly realized exactly why they have as much positive feedback as they do. It certainly isn't their attitude or customer relations, or even products for that matter. I gave them neutral feedback stating that the parts *looked* good, but that they had a positive feedback requirement and that they hadn't responded to a couple of emails I'd sent. Then I get a bs negative feedback on my account from them. For nothing! I paid within like an hour of the auction! This company totally sucks. If they don't give me my money back, I'm going to see if I can't get a class-action lawsuit going on them. Someone needs to as many people as they rip off. Oh yeah, I complained to egay about the bs negative feedback and they said there was nothing they could do. I'd have to pay about $40 to use square trade to get it removed. Yeah. Ebay probably owns squaretrade just like paypal. They are just as corrupt as ssautochrome if you ask me.

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Yeah, ---- them all. I saw that negative feedback on you and I didn't understand it. Now it makes more sense. That is soooo fucked up. I can't believe ebay is ok with that. That can't be right. You got negative because you were giving the negative feedback he deserved. How is that legal? ---- that. I have had people ask me to leave them feedback before and I ignored them because after I leave feedback they have me by the balls. I don't want to take a negative for some rat bastard cheating me. That pisses me off so bad about SSautochrome and I have never even had the pleasure of dealing with him. I'd kick his ass if I ever saw him in person. What a punk bitch. >:(
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Can't you file a fraud complaint becuase you didn't get the product that was advertised? Thats seriously fucked up, don't give up and try to get that bastard

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hahhahahhaha and how long will grease last with such high temps the turbo produces??? prolly about 30 seconds. think about it man this thing tuns what 150k or so at top speed? you are gonna keep it lubed with grease!!! not to mention exhaust temps the thing sees. sure there are high temp greases out there but no its not gonna happen. the oil carries heat away as well as keeping the thing lubed.


to find out if its a BB center spin it and spin one you know is not ball bearing center the diff will be obvious. i have seen a gt35r spin with just air from a shop fan blowing thru it. they spin very easily.


i asked that sschrome guy for a phone number so he can deal direct with my friend since he has no web access and never got a reply...prolly thought i was social engineering and he was gonna get an earful. sucks to be him. he will get his before its all over. he is not making any friends i can see.

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I say take them to court. A member of the MR2 community recently won $10k because he took his engine to a rebuilder and they were supposed to install nice rods and pistons. After he got the engine back, and installed it in the car, as soon as he gave it some decent boost the engine failed. He then took it apart and found that the parts were all stock... then took them to court.

Give it a shot.. might not get $10k but you should get something. Plus they could lose their right to sell on ebay.

Neil

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How much did you pay for that turbo??
Stupid SSKroom

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A little over $500 with their crappy shiny mani and dp. Yeah, I know. Shoulda known better. I thought I was just getting lucky that nobody was really bidding against me. Da'oh!

I've known of people paying over $400 for the turbo alone (silly since they sell it at their site for $400). I figured I was saving money on a brand name. Guess the trust behind a brand name is worth it sometimes. I sooo hate thieves and liars.

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HA, you thik ebay is going to do something to one of their top players?? ebay gets money for everyone of his sell, why would they do something to jeopardize that just for a guy with a 20 feedback?? and for the record, ebay does own sqare trade :P

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lol yeah that price is cheap for a mani downpipe and turbo.
But if the turbo will last that is another question.
I would put a T3/T4 with or without ballbearing in my car though....anything is better then nothing. But ballbearing would be nice though

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I had the same thing happen, I paid the kid immediately after the auction, and the product was bull, and I left negative feedback... Then he gives me negative feedback saying I never paid, blah blah... I just posted a response to his feedback saying I have the receipt for immediate payment upon request, to this day he's my only negative... There are a bunch of Fuckers on eGay...

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yeah, i have one negative feedback also, i bid on something, and was out of town when the auction ended, when i came back (two days after auction ended), i paid the guy and then saw my feedback. he was real sorry about it, but he could have done something to reverse it, or after i put my response to the feedback, i've seen the opposite party put another response to your response. so obviously he wasn't too sorry, and he took three weeks to ship because he didn't even have the stuff, he had to order fittings (oil lines) :P then i had another deadbeat bidder that didn't pay for something, and he said he would leave me negative feedback if i left him negative feedback for not paying me ???

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so long as we are on the ebay thing. i had a guy put up an auction on vactaion. i bid i win. i get an auto email. so i wait till he is supposed to be back in town and email him again. i sent hhim mail for like 10 days and finally i give it one lasts hot and send one with a read receipt and the focker replies!!! i realized that the item i won was not really what i wanted. it was a 7200 rpm scsi HD and i wanted a 10k rpm hd. it was $5. ad the guy was local..i didnt wnat to go pick it up the guy seemed really shady..so we agreed to call it off. then the focker leaves me a neutral!!!! grrrrrrr. i have had at least 3 people leave aboslutely no feedback after excellent transactions and then this guy has to be an ass and leaves a neutral. for $5 he could have kept his mouth shut. pissed me off. yeah ebay has some real winners out there. it used to be you could buy/sell just by being a a trustworthy person now everyone is out to stab you int heback. i sent some pistons to the netherlands to a guy i didnt know with no cash up front. he sent me cash pretty quick all things considered and i didnt even think twice about it. thats the way it should be. now its stupid anymore gotta really watch your back or you get screwed.

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i dont know if the actual question was answered but you cant tell visually from the outside of the turbo.

lol sorry for going off topic! ;D

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Ok, they got the parts back 11/25 and I had a paypal for the full amount 8) (incl shipping) the next day - yesterday. The guy wanted to hassle me on the phone ("yeah, some ball bearings are wet floating"... "why'd you file a fraud report, can't you just trust us" - what??? ::) ), but I guess between my emails, fraud complaint, phone call and the nice note I dropped in the box I scared them straight. Anyway, I got my money back minus the $10 for shipping that crap back to them. Lesson learned.

SSAUTOCHROME = poop
HOTRODHEADERS = poop
STONEMOUNTAINRACING = poop
XS POWER = poop

They don't publish their number (the number for their paypal account is a fax number that just rings) and they don't answer their emails (I've sent 4+ to various accounts over the past 3 mo). They think they can screw you and you'll just give up or pass their junk off on someone else. Anyone who does is playing on their hands... Make them pay!!!

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I didn't feel like readeing everything because I dont know how to read, but anyone hasn't said it I will. you put oil through the turbo to COOL DOWN the turbo.

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kinda, its for lubrication. friction is a barings (sp) worst enemy.

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how would one explain turbos with coolant AND oil passages then? I mean coolant is obviously there to cool the urbo down some (more) so it would stand to reason that the oil is there for...well, lubrication...

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^^^^
oil and water(coolant) cooled turbos are fine.

the oil runs through to cool and lubricate.
the water just helps dissapate the temperature charge.