Anyone done a custom DSM FI setup?
 

Hey, after going all over the net looking and finding no answers, I was curious if anyone has ever built a custom FI setup for a non-turbo DSM car. I have a 91 Eclipse and want to decide how to rebuild it. Money isnt really an option since it will be a longterm rebuild. If anyone has ever added a turbo or supercharger to their non-turbo car I would like to hear how you did it. I am not interested in rebuilding the car with DSM turbo specs but rather using only aftermarket parts. Anyone?
Steve

Re:Anyone done a custom DSM FI setup?
 

if money is no option, obviously swap out the stock sohc crap for the cyclone 4g63 and go from there. personally id sell it ang buy a diff car

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It already has the non-turbo 2.0 dohc. Its different from the turbo engine..higher compression and different oil passages. It was a toss-up between buying a NT for 500 or a AWD turbo for 4k, and considering I would to get some high numbers from it I would have to rebuild the turbo engine anyway to handle it. Doesnt seem much of a difference in cost or labor to reach the same goal with either car, except I would rather have gotten AWD but I couldnt find a car within 400 miles of here

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if money and time really arent an isue I would probably just wait until a gst comes up for sale around you and get that. You'll be satisfied with the factory bump in power for a whille and you have to be boosting a lot until you need to beef up the internals.

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I'd give Hahn Racecraft a holla..they manufacture kits for non-turbo DSM's...putting together a turbo kit for your car would be like putting one together for a honda...a couple of places sell T3/T4 kits for turbo DSM's, you'd just have to come up with something for fuel management....keep in mind, if your car is FWD, traction is gonna be a BIIIG problem....

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No doubt, I have found alot of kits to add boost to a nt car, and I figure I will give it a shot. I aint worried about going with convention, I really prefer to build the car the way I want it and experiment. The FWD problem will be there, and I am not sure how I will overcome it, but for now I am gonna stick to this car and hold it, then when I can afford it I might pick up a S2000, NSX, or a Supra. It will be fun to rebuild it and see how much I can squueze from it with the options I have.

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unless you have a good solution for the fuel setup or are going to convert to that off a turbo car, it might be easier to just start with a turbo first gen, they are a dime a dozen (especially ones with fucked up motors for you to rebuild)

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here's a lil info on the DSM's
go w/ the 1st gen 6 bolt block, the 7 bolt GST gets crankwalk.
change the timing belt every 50k miles... a buddy of mine has 5 dsm blocks and *ALL* of them have dents in the pistons from where the t-belt streched and the valves started hitting the pistons..... DSM's are notorious for this!

you can get a turbo 4g63 shortblock for next to nothing, just make sure its a 1st gen 90-93! you dont want crankwalk from the 7 bolt (flywheel) block

to make the car accept the turbo... u need to swap wiring harnesses

that's all for now
mike

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should have gotten the awd :'(

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ACTUALLLY, any DSM(Talon, Eclipse, Laser) manufactured after March of 92 is a 7 bolt...I don't mean to be a smartass, but I bought one of these cars( 8)a 6 bolt)a little while back and have been doing lots of research...

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Re:Anyone done a custom DSM FI setup?
 

Hey yall, Thanks for the input. I have been doing the research and decided that I wont t/c this car, without the AWD I would pretty much be screwed tractionwise. I was planning on a complete teardown and rebuild, swapping out the wiring harness and everything else to do turbo, but without doing an entire FWD to AWD rebuild (which is major work, more than doing turbo) the traction issue would be too much to overcome, especially with high power.

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I would go for an early first gen. as well cause there not prone to crankwalk and the stock block can take nearly 400 hp. I've read all about dsm's (planning on one in the future) and they are supposed to be really easy to make fast. There are people running high 12's on the 14b.

Re:Anyone done a custom DSM FI setup?
 

I have a 1990 Plymouth Laser with a 4g63. Its the early six-bolt that doesnt get crankwalk, the same as the turbo engine minus oil squirters to the bottom of the piston and different compression. I think in reality I will probably go ahead and turbo it after a complete engine rebuild, should be a great project. How much effect does power have on traction with a FWD car? I know AWD is better but will 350 to 400 hp really leave me lacking because I dont have AWD? How about the difference between drag and road racing? So many questions...

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with 300 hp and only fwd you will have a serious problem.My dad has a 90 plymouth laser rs turbo and no traction till 3rd gear even at track. all he has is turbo back exhaust 16g turbo ported/clipped 2g exhaust manifold and a act 2100 pound clutch and 15psi of boost there is a need for slicks or drag radials and bad wheel hop(axle breaking wheel hop)

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I just picked up a solid 90 Talon TSI for only $1500 out of Michigan.The prices differ alot depending on where you live,but they can be had for cheap.I specifically searched out an AWD because of the traction issue.I sold a heavy fwd car with nitrous,so this awd is definately worth it if you want to stick with the DSM.

Jeremy Thomas
1990 15psi TSI

Re:Anyone done a custom DSM FI setup?
 

f money is no option, obviously swap out the stock sohc crap for the cyclone 4g63 and go from there. personally id sell it ang buy a diff car

Its VERY hard to do that swap. the amount of money it takes to do it you could boost the stock motor way past the 4g63. I owned an eclipse both GSX and NA. I read up on it. Dont try and swap it