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JD 10-17-2003 05:31 PM

Anybody tried something like this?
 
Seeing how I'm using the dsm injectors, mitsu turbo, and damn near everything else from an eclipse on my accord would it be possible to use the dsm ecu instead of using the afc? If I changed up my harness and got all the pins to go where they need to be would the ecu be able to run my f22? Just seemed like a decent idea to me. If this sounds stupid just let me know why.

projekteg 10-17-2003 05:39 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
i don't think they would be in any way compatable, timing issues would prolly be different, different sensors, etc.

turboboy 10-17-2003 05:40 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
dont smoke crack....there are about a hundred reasons that wont work...the car is a honda, the motor is a honda, the only thing dsm is the injectors

JD 10-17-2003 06:02 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
I dont know. I look at it like an engine is an engine. Different bore, timing, sizes but it is still an engine that works the same way. Just like a computer is a computer. There cant be that much difference between the 2 ecus. I know the timing will be different but that can be fixed. Come on somebody has to be a friggen computer genius around here and know an exact reason why it wouldnt work.

JD 10-17-2003 06:03 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
Also I have a spare eclipse sitting around that I could use the sensors from too.

Dr.Boost 10-17-2003 06:10 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
I'm sure if you somehow rigged the DSM sensors to work with the Honda motor and wired the DSM ECU into the Honda car correctly it could work, but with the technology we have nowadays(TurboEdit, Hondata, AEM,etc...etc...) it would be too much of a hassle and a waist of time IMO. Why not just get a standalone and call it good?
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JD 10-17-2003 06:23 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
basically because I can get everything dirt ass cheap. And you really cant beat a factory turbo ecu. Oh yeah and its kinda hard to find someone that can mod my ecu. Seems like nobody has turocharged accord love so they dont mess with our ecus.

Dr.Boost 10-17-2003 06:25 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
Yeah, a factory ECU that can read boost would be the thing to have. If you think you can do it, go for it. AT least do some research and see if it is possible. Maybe you will be the first to do this? :-\
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SpeedyJAY 10-17-2003 06:38 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
Hondata, GetthoDyne, Edyne....all these would be much less headache...Check out engine managment forum

turboboy 10-17-2003 06:53 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
sure an engine is an engine, but they dont work the same...dsm's have cam position sensors, and no distributor, thats something you cant get around in my book....this would be the biggest waste of time...your ecu will work fine with an afc or smc

91AccordLX 10-18-2003 01:31 AM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 

Originally Posted by JD
I dont know. I look at it like an engine is an engine. Different bore, timing, sizes but it is still an engine that works the same way. Just like a computer is a computer. There cant be that much difference between the 2 ecus. I know the timing will be different but that can be fixed. Come on somebody has to be a friggen computer genius around here and know an exact reason why it wouldnt work.


I think it would be more trouble than it's worth and almost impossible to do also. Like in a computer, you can't just switch an Intel cpu with an AMD cpu, or even different generation cpus of the same manufacturers without switching out the motherboard. But then you have to update your drivers, deal with BoDs, etc. unless you do a clean install.. which is just like getting a whole new car :(

Hey, does that spare Eclipse have a good 14b turbo? :P

AND I got love for turbocharged Accords!!!! ;D

customcoach 10-18-2003 10:36 AM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
I don't see it happening without some major headaches and a lot of check engine lights. The crank angle sensor is going to see a different stroke than the Eclipse engine and throw a code right off the bat. If you could fool the ECU into thinking the Honda engine has the same stoke as the Eclipse engine then its going to fire the injectors and the spark plugs at the wrong times and your motor will run rough or won't run at all. The fuel and timing curves won't work on the Honda engine either. Nice try but I don't see it working out.

88crxSi 10-18-2003 11:28 AM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
MAF vs MAP. ::)

speedy1224 10-18-2003 04:13 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
you can forget about that man it will never work until you swap your motor for the 4g63. now that's what you should do. ;D

OnYx 10-18-2003 04:58 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 

Originally Posted by customcoach
I don't see it happening without some major headaches and a lot of check engine lights. The crank angle sensor is going to see a different stroke than the Eclipse engine and throw a code right off the bat. If you could fool the ECU into thinking the Honda engine has the same stoke as the Eclipse engine then its going to fire the injectors and the spark plugs at the wrong times and your motor will run rough or won't run at all. The fuel and timing curves won't work on the Honda engine either. Nice try but I don't see it working out.


89dxhunchback 10-18-2003 11:03 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
Knock sensor also.

JD 10-19-2003 04:14 AM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
damn I like a challenge. I could change the maf to map if I had to and I can definetly put the know sensor, but the injector firing problem seems kinda tough to get around. hmmmm guess its time to do some research.

Semnos 10-19-2003 10:24 AM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
Here is a tougher problem...The mitsu engine rotates (clockwise) at the opposite way as the Honda engine(counterclockwise).
Try to fix that :o ::) .No way buddy....and the mitsu is distributorless...well then you would have to try to rig a old school vacume advance distributor to make that work(no ignition timing control)or go with a aftermarket Distributorless ignition system...which means you could just go buy a standalone. If you want the DSM ECU in there you're better of swapping the whole engine..it would be easier ;D

krazeteggie 10-19-2003 08:17 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
this would take so long you would prolly give up, BUT most of the things stated as problems have been done for other reasons. 1 person converted his 80-somethin accord to a distributerless ignition using a gm ecu. another group was making a rear wheel drive b18 and for some reason the tranny had to be on the driverside, so they had a cam made with reverse grinds, then pretty much rewrote most of the firing code on an eprom using a pm6 ecu from what i remember. dont forget the dsm use eprom ecu's too, so you wont actually have to rotate the engine backwards. just have the ecu rotate it the correct way. remember you will need alot to do this but far from impossible. cam, a custom billet coil rack/cam seal, and some sort of cam sensor setup. on top of this you will have to reprogram most of the ecu coding. + make a custom harness. peace morgan

sean88accord 10-20-2003 01:06 AM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
im the crack head with the 1988 honda accord with the GM ecu and the DIS.

krazeteggie 10-20-2003 05:12 AM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
hey could u send me pix? george0123@aol.com
i heard from some1 else about it and he said hed post pix but never did. how many hours u got in the conversion. what is the ecu out of? thanks

ZexRex 10-21-2003 09:41 PM

Re:Anybody tried something like this?
 
this wont work

you would have to make sensors from the eclipse fit the honda and then the ecu would have to be calibrated to read the sensors imputs correctly, then you have totally different timing and ignition and just about every other aspect of the engine.

a motor is not a motor.

For your computer analogy thats like smashing a pII ecu chip into an amd motherboard an hoping changing a few jumpers on the motherborad will make it control the cpu.


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