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Pipe work I did over the Summer
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So my former welding instructor got me and a friend 2 weeks of per-diem work going on repiping a bottling plant.
Since I never post any of what I do, and JD is a cock sucking faggot... Here's some shots... Most of this is 316L stainless to appease the FDA. I am not ashamed to show you my shitty welding... I frankly suck at stick, have since day 1, I just don't get it. For anyone who searchs youll also find some fairly fugly (as in JD girlfriend material) 2F fillet weld pictures from both when I was learning, and from helping afew people on this forum. One thing I was VERY proud of this summer is that I have ALWAYS had trouble making large weave passes with TIG as a cap weld. My wrists and fingers are bad from years of being a great drummer. I find it awkward to walk the cup far enough to make big weaves. Im also right handed, and absolutely can not weld with certifiable quality with my left hand. That means no 6GR pictures (45* angle groove welds on pipe, restricted). Ive tried it many times, I just can't do it. I live with it LMAO I am also not ENGLOID. Engloid's a cool ass dude. He gave me good advice a year and two years ago when I was getting into it. I want ZERO compairison to him. He's very good and has atleast 8 years of welding experience on me... So suck ------- cock I don't want to hear it. We'll start with some stick welding pictures from some competitions. Most of the welds are general E7018's. Attachment 13871http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...WeldComp03.jpg Attachment 13872Attachment 13873 Attachment 13874 I do very little ALU welding. Here's afew test plates and the beginnings of an intake manifold plenum. Attachment 13875 Attachment 13876 Flux-Core-Baby! I find 3F flux touchy... But it doesn't get tons better than this. Lost my cleaned up pictures :'( Attachment 13877 Attachment 13878 So here's a job I liked. Just general fabrication... Wound up being the head welder on my shift AND the manager in charge of all the welder/fitters, painters & afew general hands. Place made chairs for semi trucks & tractors. Average time to fit, assemble & weld a complete chair like this was around 3m30s. Good guys could get around 3:10-15. I re-arranged the entire assembly & welding order. Dropped my time to 2:40-2:40 INCLUDING time to hang the chair - 15seconds not normally counted! Welded with 35 wire, 25-26v @ 700in/min. Yes... It takes a quick hand to not burn through 1/16-3/16" material welding that hot and that fast. Attachment 13879 One more wire. Per-diem job below. This is 317, 35 wire, mid 25v @ 550-600in/min. Attachment 13880 So we spent 2-3 weeks doing some work. I did all the welding. He did all the sorting, cleaning, fitting, tacking & printing... The most important parts! Mad props to meh boy Tony. To start with. Weave passes... I am EXTREMELY proud to have finally gotten them down pat. It took an assload of work after-hours for me to get where Im actually happy with my work and its consistent. You know it use to be 100% passable, but really didn't reflect the kind of visual quality I knew I could put out otherwise. It probably took 6 or 7 pieces just like this, working by myself after hours to get it. Here's a practice piece. You can EASILY see that while the welds are obviously fine, they are also obviously inconsistent. Attachment 13881 How'd it turn out??? Test weld: Attachment 13882 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...dingTest02.jpg Not a god damned mother ------- flaw ya ---- ass bitches! Needless to say it was a skill I had to learn for the job so... Attachment 13883 Attachment 13884 How bout some copper-nickle? Attachment 13885 Sigh definately not Engloid... Looks aight, but too inconsistent in throat height for me! His are like, perfect :( More CU-NI? Attachment 13886 Blah steel, anyone could do it. Attachment 13887 Suck the 316 beoytch! Attachment 13888 Attachment 13889 316L filler sure turns pwetty colors! Attachment 13890 Attachment 13891 One thing I was just so unhappy about on this weld was that I had alot of trouble tieing my start & stop back in. If you look down the weld you can see a weave in it. That's because I fucked it and had to grind an anus hair's worth back out :'( Attachment 13892 Attachment 13893 Not thrilled about how I tied these top welds in either. Sigh for random -----ups. :'( Was pushing beying alittle shy on the left most weld too, not sure why??? This was a biiiiiiig pipe to weld around. We both took on this one, halfzies. Attachment 13894 LOOK AT THE WET ---- FULL-PEN WELD ON THIS ROOT PASS. BOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Can Toysrme work a CNC pipe welder??? Yes... After several fuckups and a solid hours worth of adjusting! Attachment 13895 Cool machines. For anyone that wants a manifold please call.... Wier, or CS. I don't make many so dont ask. I had alot of good wire work, and afew manifolds but about the time I swapped from my old vx8300 to a new LG Dare my 2g SD card trashed itself. Even Active's Undelete 7 couldn't bring much back. <cries like a gaping vagina> |
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man take some of the pipe in the background and send it to me....clean welds man
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Looks great bro. The HUGE thing is that the welds you're posting now are lightyears ahead of older stuff I've seen. 8)
And you got it man- consistency is the tough one. But dude they're looking great. |
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thanks, mostly my tig has been like that for a long while. i simply never post work here aside from the first few things i passed in school, and maybe some half asleep 2am welds on random metal using god knows what and a china welder just to make some points.
and to make some points, if you notice the last CNC weld, and the weld where i was welding it in 3rds and had to weave to tie back in. that is as far apart as you want to take your pattern. (the dimes) any wider than that and youll get dinged for it not being tight enough. so try to keep your patterns an acceptible size. (newbies make the huge patterns... its all show easy) |
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Originally Posted by Toysrme
Engloid's a cool ass dude. He gave me good advice a year and two years ago when I was getting into it. I want ZERO compairison to him. He's very good and has atleast 8 years of welding experience on me... So suck ------- cock I don't want to hear it.
I'd love to teach welding for a living. I did teach once, but it wasn't a long time, and I was really rushed on it, rather than being given the time to teach a lot of stuff. The problem is that teaching usually doesn't pay all that good and the jobs are usually taken by people that talked a good game to an office person, or something like that. |
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omg welding props from Engloid, almost as good as the sex im having with the 19yo married milf!
Yeah I love teaching too. The next door neighboor's kid and all his buddies have been suffering with N/A and I set them straight. There's four of them taking HS welding classes and then I just help with with tig & stick some afternoons. Lots of fun. IDK my teacher was extremely good. He can STILL weld better than I can... Yet he can do it by wrapping his hands around someone else's. In-Freaking-sane! holding your hands, insane. Was a CWI and constantly doing alot of outside school work for everyone going through the state for help. Companies, individuals, etc. Not sure what he makes but he took two of us to do a repair on a large die press. Took 36'ish hours with another CWI on hand and that companie's best welder. We all made around $750 for it and he made... He didn't say, but his wife had a new Altima by the end of the week and he had a new 07 Tundra the week after! I wanna be a CWI eventually. Seems like the way to go. |
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" 2g SD card trashed itself. Even Active's Undelete 7 couldn't bring much back. <cries like a gaping vagina>"
I bet I can get it back. Send it to me, active undelete 7 has nothing on what I use. Think gov grade program ;). Pm me if you want me to try. BTW you welds look GOOD!!! |
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good looking ---- nog
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i hope you and engloid make decent money on this stuff. you certainly deserve it. i'd love to spend a day with either of you guys just to learn. anyone want to make a $1000? i'd pay that for a day lesson even though it probably wouldn't teach me enough.
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nice welding with the stick in the 1st pics.. still trying to get mine that way 8) stick is one tricky business
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The welds are looking great man. That is some awesome progress in just a few years IMO.
I wish I wasn't such a blind bastard. I really do envy you guys that can weld like this. |
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nice ----... :y
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thanks guys.
yeah and a half lol. wier its really about 50% practical experiance and 50% book knowledge. Unlike what some people "Fabricator CoreyR" thinks. You can watch weld puddles all god damned ------- day, but if you don't have the why's what's if's then's all sorted out.... Regardless your ---- will suck. you ought to have enough knowlege and training to pass 100% of your welds under any conditions, even if that requires fixing mistakes. And if you don't know, easily know where to get the information you need. God thanks but my stick is terrible. Im really alright, but I can't give you an open root weld with proper penitration and reinforcement for my life. maybe two inches out of three then i loose it for whatever reason... One of of three open root on pipe. Sigh... It's okay tho. Im certified to root tig and cap 7018's anyways, see that alot more than 6010/11-7018 now adays anyways LoL! Ill flat out tell you a good welding teacher can get you 95% of the general NEED to know in a semister. Alot of it is repetative. Some of it is not. Could I make good tig welds before & walk the cup? Sure, was it better after, god yes. I could use any size filler i wanted, so many tips and tricks. learning to tie welds in so good that god damned CWI's can't visually tell where a weld starts and stops with the aie of dye penatrant... I was PROUD that day. He couldn't see it, neither could one of his visiting CWI friends. list of things i learned, needed to know, or got massively better in grew quickly. Awesome teacher tho. Engloid probably made 60-70K+ welding. Note last I remember he's not a welder anymore so much as like a shop manager / shop trainer / head hauncho welder. So its likely way higher than that. In a year and a half I started per-diem afternoon work on big flux-core on big cast iron pipe with little trianing for $75 a day, about 5 hours, ($15/h ish). The job with the chairs I wound up head welder & middle management was making $17/h for welding as a temp employee and made $24/h once when I was the head welder, and made another $19/h ontop of the 24/h the couple weeks I got to be middle management too. And that' 10h/day got long once it piled on tho. thats just for basic industrial spray transfer MIG. Going rate for a knowledgeable, certable, experianced tig welder down here is around 20-24/h and goes up signifigantly depending on what & where you're welding. almost took a two year, $40/h job tig welding piping in six ships being built in nawleans with my friend last spring. I hate nawleans tho so... out of the question for me. The per-diem pipe stuff up there... Wound up making a flat rate $700 between the two of us, we generally worked a solid, bearly breaking 9-10 hours a day. Wound up about $30+/h for me and my partner for maybe two and a half three weeks. And that's maybe... 50-65% of what we were WORTH getting paid on that job. We simply wanted the job that badly & needed the experiance on the hire out sheets. :) |
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what kind of a lid are you rockin? ------ baller welds bro!
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Those welds are probably better than any I can make in my life. But, I'll have to get a tig welder to say that :P
What welder were you using on the stick one? |
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Originally Posted by Toysrme
thanks guys.
yeah and a half lol. wier its really about 50% practical experiance and 50% book knowledge. Welding rocks, everytime I chip the slak away and it comes of easy I know there must be a nice weld underneat and every nice weld makes me happy :) funny ---- |
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Speedglas SL, backup is a jackson shadow with a set of gold lenses.
The stick was an old idealarc, didn't feel very good. it ran 10/11's fine but sucked at 18s. The MP's we had back at school rocked balls at mig/flux and stick. They were very nice. |
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those look better then robots
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Thanks, that's because robots can't really adjust and correct on the fly, and that's assuming they're set right in the first place lol
smaw big straight runs for the win tho lol |
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your weld=sex. lol
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ahh ----, someone got the password to my imagebucket account. O0
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U wish LoL! ;)
tnx Honestly they're not better than sex, but they beat a boney chick's tooth scraping blow job by a mile. |
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def kick ass on walking the cup .. never for the life of me can i get that down stat O0
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yeah can someone take a picture of there hand holding the torch.
I feel as if i'm retarded holding the torch the way i do to get the meaving motion. |
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Originally Posted by turbob16hatch
yeah can someone take a picture of there hand holding the torch.
I feel as if i'm retarded holding the torch the way i do to get the meaving motion. vid |
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I think my cup has alot to do with my struggle to learn this technique.
I'm using a #8 med. gas lense cup on a size 17 torch. i think switching to a lense with a larger outer diamiter would help. great vid btw |
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VS that video.
90% of the time I use the same ginormous gloves I do for stick flux & mig. No need to feel the rod at all, you know its there. lmao (It's like seeing newbs watch their hands when they drum, wtf buddy you know the ---- is under the stick...) thats some giant ------- stick out lol never heard of doing it on a jar - ya glass is slick speaking of glass being slick, new cups glide like buttah, used cups dont. its can be something to think about till you know what you're doing and it's not a problem. i do accuse myself of holding the torch like that (his first position), but only for SHORT WELDS. Torches get too MOTHER ------- HOT to hold that high up. idc if it's a giant air-cooled torch or water cooled, it's too hot. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4..._toggrips2.jpg Made that with the CP for some people on here last year sometime. That last way to do it is the nog's knee's if you have to do good welding all day, but it can be a bitch if you're using one of the baseball bat air cooled torches. you get use to it tho. either way your wrist hurts like hell after awhile. |
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Well my torch at home is the china-chonger WP-17. I have #7 and #9 cups from weldcraft. Working on the box of #7's right now.
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i should explain.
holding the torch like you would think is normal (by the main grip, like a pen or batt) puts you FAR off-axis on where you want it to rotate. what you gain in fine motor control from your fingers you loose by having to swing your entire limb somewhat to stave off carpel tunnel syndrome after afew minutes of starting. doing it with a web grip you loose alittle fine motor control AFA the torch advancing (until you get it down pat) but gain in having a relatively easy grip to get consistant and non-tiring method of walking the cup. If im dipping I use a normal grip far down enough for my hand to not get hot. (No weaving when dipping). If I preffer a web grip (or whatever you want to call it) to a normal grip. Normal grips just get too tiring for me to do professionally and as accurate as you would think some welding is, understand you're only human - there will be flaws of some level. And the more you weld that same damn thing over & over the more you sleep through it. I don't tig weld well left handed. my left hand is dumb for anything but drumming.(and that's getting weak the more years go by) But in some easy dipping positions I can dip left handed passably just from having seen and done the same type of weld 30 gabillion times. :S Still kills be seeing guys able to do restricted 6G root passes without changing position. Ring half way right handed, then switch hands for the other way. |
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do you really keep the cup of the torch in contact with the part? maybe thats what i am doing wrong. i have always used my hand to set the arc gap.
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Looks good. I've seen more professional welders that wish they could walk a up like that than guys that could.
Originally Posted by Toysrme
wier its really about 50% practical experiance and 50% book knowledge. Unlike what some people "Fabricator CoreyR" thinks. You can watch weld puddles all god damned ------- day, but if you don't have the why's what's if's then's all sorted out.... Regardless your ---- will suck.
I've not yet seen a good welder that was stupid. The better welders are usually pretty intelligent guys.
Originally Posted by Toysrme
I could use any size filler i wanted, so many tips and tricks. learning to tie welds in so good that god damned CWI's can't visually tell where a weld starts and stops with the aie of dye penatrant... I was PROUD that day. He couldn't see it, neither could one of his visiting CWI friends.
Originally Posted by Toysrme
Engloid probably made 60-70K+ welding. Note last I remember he's not a welder anymore so much as like a shop manager / shop trainer / head hauncho welder. So its likely way higher than that.
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Thanks. Im trying. Lawlz
Glad to hear you're welding again Engloid! Werd, everyone's laying off. Management everywhere is getting axed. Im just glad it's a field where I figure I can always find good work, and if not - Ill make it for myself. Ya Ive already noticed maybe 75% of the "CWI"'s out there are just some bullshit welders that have some time on the industry clock, took some BS inspection class (probably the same 3 hour credit course i had at CC one semister lmao) and claim they can inspect welds. PhilStubbs that's why they call it "walking the cup" not "air-dancing the cup" LoL! Ya you can rest the cup on the weld/base metal. Its no different than resting your body on something while you're welding. The more points of contact to something stable, the more stable and comfortable you are - the better you weld. Having the cup touch atleast one part makes it that much more stable. |
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Meh I like DT, never failed one :D Ofcorse in school I never went to test something if it was my first time doing something! LoL Not sure how other people expect others to accept their shoddy work.
We would take some random things to the radiology teaching center sometimes to x-ray it. My first time I took a 6011 root 7018 fill piece of plate and PROMTLY learned not to completely trust an air chisel even if "it looked really clean" in between passes LoL! Remember one of the first welding tests I took was really easy. Just a mountian thick piece of plate (who knows why), easy flat groove weld. Cute girl shift boss warned me about it getting ultra sound tested and that MOST of their applicants failed it. Im thinking wtf easy weld, what's the problem? Then she hands me some gi---------gantic air hammer to clean the slag off with. Im thinking oh ya been here done that ----! Out comes the Makita grinder - a month later when I finished filling the POS without warping it to hell (Still wondering why you test someone AWS D1.1 code on a 4" thick weld when a 1" thick test gives you an unlimited cert....). Tests perfectly fine. No point to the story, but the way I figure they'd get alot more hires if they'd give people grinders and brushes instead of damn chisels so big that even if they DO clean all the slag off. They STILL leave huge voids where they cut into the metal. I bet it was the "CWI". He probably wanted to keep his job failing people and retesting... |
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Originally Posted by Toysrme
Ya Ive already noticed maybe 75% of the "CWI"'s out there are just some bullshit welders that have some time on the industry clock, took some BS inspection class (probably the same 3 hour credit course i had at CC one semister lmao) and claim they can inspect welds.
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Ya. Know offhand how many hours you need to log to be one?
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