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fast2camciv 01-28-2006 09:28 AM

HMT traction bars
 
I remember a while back there was a lot of threads about building a homemeade set of traction bars...im wondering if there was ever a solid write up on what materials to use and maybe some dimensions for building a set. i work at a sheetmetal shop and have most of the materials available to me...im just looking for a solid write up to get me going...thanks.

cberman 01-28-2006 11:01 AM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...?topic=33519.0

https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...?topic=49211.0

SpankedYA! 01-28-2006 11:03 AM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
I have also changed that design again.

bumblezc 01-28-2006 09:44 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
What year of car?

90dx 01-28-2006 11:39 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
Did anybody getaround to making some 90-93 Integra bars?I remember someone was waiting for a test vehicle to build some/test fit etc.

SpankedYA! 01-29-2006 07:12 AM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
I had actually bought a DA and was going to make some but I don't like that fact they are structal. I would never build something that could break and I would be liable. If the EG/EK/DC bars ever malfunctioned its not a big deal.

spazz0nater 01-29-2006 06:06 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
What about the EF's? any worries on making a traction bar for that?

ichbinsobose 01-29-2006 06:53 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
---- I need a bar for my DA. ------- bars are about 450$ a pop. Cant you just copy placeracing or someone? There are only 2 companies that make them for DAs I think. ::)

SpankedYA! 01-29-2006 07:21 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 

Originally Posted by spazz0nater
What about the EF's? any worries on making a traction bar for that?

Contact Mike at www.LSDmotorsports.com for EF traction bars. BumbleZC can give you the low down on them as well.

bumblezc 01-29-2006 09:27 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
I have been running my bars in my car with no problems. Launches on Slicks with LSD, daily driving on shitty roads and all. Even before selling my bars through LSD Motorsports I had 10-15 units out and have never heard any complaints or failures.

As for the DA bars. I would like to work out a design but it is not as easy as Copying a companies bar. I need a car to make the first prototype on, and even after that I still like to have a car for every one I make seeing as the extra mounting locations. My EF Jig is a car. I cut the front end of a car off.

USS 01-29-2006 11:08 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 

Originally Posted by bumblezc
I have been running my bars in my car with no problems. Launches on Slicks with LSD, daily driving on shitty roads and all. Even before selling my bars through LSD Motorsports I had 10-15 units out and have never heard any complaints or failures.

As for the DA bars. I would like to work out a design but it is not as easy as Copying a companies bar. I need a car to make the first prototype on, and even after that I still like to have a car for every one I make seeing as the extra mounting locations. My EF Jig is a car. I cut the front end of a car off.

Once you get a prototype built, I'll be the first one to try it ;)

bumblezc 01-30-2006 07:02 AM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
my main problem is I don't know anyone in my area with a DA. I may have to start going to the honda-tech meets advertising myself and try to pick some one up.

fast2camciv 01-30-2006 08:33 AM

Re: HMT traction bars
 

Originally Posted by bumblezc
What year of car?

eg 4dr

my question to you csaddict is how far over do you mount the bars that go to the lower control arm (like a distance from the frame mount to where the vertical bars mount to the horizontal bar)...the rest seems pretty straight forward just copying the oem cross member's dimensions and locations right? is that how you came up with the location for the control arm bar? is it inthe same location as stock?

is there anything that should be considered or watched out for when building a set?

thanks guys!!

bumblezc 01-30-2006 09:19 AM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
The pivot point on the bar must be in line with the pivot point of the LCA to Chassis mount. Bar length can be calculated in many ways. Some take 2 pipes, one that will slide inside the other. Mount them in place, cause your suspension to compress and extrend fully, measure the length, take the average. There is debates with this, as the bar length should really be within a small range because you suspension only travels so much.

FYI you EG doesn't have a factory crossmember to copy, plus you would want to copy an OEM one.

fast2camciv 01-30-2006 10:17 AM

Re: HMT traction bars
 

Originally Posted by bumblezc
The pivot point on the bar must be in line with the pivot point of the LCA to Chassis mount. Bar length can be calculated in many ways. Some take 2 pipes, one that will slide inside the other. Mount them in place, cause your suspension to compress and extrend fully, measure the length, take the average. There is debates with this, as the bar length should really be within a small range because you suspension only travels so much.

FYI you EG doesn't have a factory crossmember to copy, plus you would want to copy an OEM one.

yea ---- your right...i was thinking of my old ef 4dr.....

so im thinking that i should take a measurment with my car on the ground with the coilovers down (compressed) and then one at like stock height (extended) and split the difference and thats what the bar length should be?...

and when you say the pivot points have to be in line...are you saying i can put the mount for the vertical bar anywhere as long as the bracket its mounted to is at teh same angle as teh bar going to the LCA? can you elaborate more on the "pivot point"?

bumblezc 01-30-2006 11:18 AM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
Pivot Point: I mean the center of the bolt at which you Heim Joint will bolt to the Traction bar.

As for putting the bar "Where ever you want". Not really, but on you car sort of. The is really only one location that makes sense and that between the tow hooks.

ichbinsobose 01-30-2006 04:24 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
You are probably in CA, otherwise I'd let you fab one up on my ride. NE boy here. :X

bumblezc 01-30-2006 05:09 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
I'm in Canada. Probably wont be able to find someone till into the spring/summer seasons.

scahottie 02-01-2006 03:25 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
hey im making bars for my crx right now and i was just wondering what you guys think i should do about mounting them to the lca should i drill though it and bolt it like that or is there a better way to do it? I have coppied the design from the first link,the civic, so im pretty much ready to finish it up just wondering about the lca.thanks

Turbo_D16z6 02-03-2006 05:49 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
How far are the joint brackets mounted from the edges of the bar? And could you give demensions of the joint brackets?

Thanks

bumblezc 02-03-2006 06:28 PM

Re: HMT traction bars
 
Can't really give dimensions. Seeing as everything is in geometry if the main bar is 1/2" different front to back of the car, the posistion and angle of the Radius Rod Tabs will move. The fist time fabriction must always be done on the car to get it right.


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