Tom-Guy

---- no it wouldn't.

I'm about the two hundredth person to figure that little tidbit out about Y8 timing, this is nothing new and several years old. Everyone else kept it to themselves because they "didn't want to share one of their tricks that brought people to them" which is the entirety of the HT tech-as-salesmanship game. Previous to the Y8 debacle, I was entirely open and free with tech, shared anything with anybody, and didn't worry if I dropped a trick or two out of my bag because my talent is a functional mind, and I fart lesser men's secret tricks in my sleep. Having my inbox and PMs on three forums wedged with basic ---- I'd already partially explained, people asking if they really *needed* to set cam or ignition timing, etc, was the first of three things that burnt me on helping out all comers.

Frankly, if you can't infer what you need to do on Y8 from the contents of this thread, then you lack basic skills, and should not try to tune a Y8 at your current level of ability. If you have ever hooked tuning gear to a stock engine and poked at it to see how you can change AFRs and timing, if you understand cam vs crank timing, if you can use a timing light to set ignition timing, then you can get everything you need from what's in this thread. If you can't, you need to take your ---- somewhere reputable - ask around on HT for the meaning of reputable, I'm not up to speed on what it means this week - and have them tune it.

There is a reason Joseph ----------ing Davis made an abrupt transition from tech-only entity to a HMT GD post-----. I can not continue to hold hands anymore, the collective incompetence of the Honduh scene overwhelms my ability to contribute anything of merit. My original intent as verbal terrorist on HT was to expose marketing bullshit and illuminate how anyone with a little hard work and perserverence could get the job done - everything I know and everything I learned in my first couple years about Honduh ECUs, EFI, engine theory, etc, is archived on HT and you can sift through my 7000 posts of all tech if you want a JD-Approved answer. I talked about what I was learning at the time like a broken record, you can easily follow the path I did, with me explaining every point along the way in excruciating detail, multiple times over. I posted up all that ---- meaning to disseminate information to the masses, a trickle-down effect where everyone takes one or two steps up the food chain due to readily available theory and tech, but that hasn't happened. All I got for my effort is whiners too lazy to netsearch or learn how cars work.

Not really. I mean, if someone told me that the ignition timing changed and needed adjusting when doing an OBD1 conversion, I wouldn't get all confused. If they told me Y8 responded really well to a LOT of ignition retard and told me how much by what point I'd be incapable of ------- it up. As far as seeking out writeups... no thank you, most people get things entirely wrong, I cracked the Helms or a physics text and figured out what was actually happening, and then double checked my suspicions with a multimeter, datalogs, track time, etc. It's called ability, you develop it by going out and doing real ---- in the real world.


The bottom line is the bureaucracy of my vision has kept the totality of my vision from being realised. I feel that any further attempt to bring tech to the sort of person who can't glean what they need to off this thread is a disservice to all parties involved. Holy ----, I went so far as to post up basemaps for stock MAP and Motorola 2.5 bar! Do you want fries with that??

lkailburn

PMS week? haha sorry just kidding

look i realize you have been bugged by a hundred thousand people. i get the same feeling but not to the scale that you have. i get that feeling because im in the same position you used to be in, when i learn something, i post and share all my knowledge, and a lot of the time i am able to explain it better than 99% of the people before me.

so, as i said earlier you are obviously free to do what you want. it just seems like an aweful waste of knowledge if you already have part of a writeup done or thought out.

-Luke

Inquisition

The answer is easy. Open up a P28 map. Select the whole timing map and subtract 4*. Then walk outside, and time your engine so it reads 12*. This will require you taking the dizzy and advancing it almost all the way in most cases. All done. If you look at the map J. Davis posted on xenocron's bin dump, the timing values are pretty similiar doing things this way. Again, its just a basemap. You need to tune the sucker and be very careful about giving timing to these engines because they are pieces of ---- compared to Z6s. Another option would be to just use Joey's timing map that he produced. Either or will work fine.

lkailburn

they are sort of similiar. i've done and heard this "quick fix " theory. i have a map all made with p28 - 4* timing values but i have yet to try it on my car.

-Luke

Tom-Guy

Here's your bone, then go be a good egg and figure some stuff out with your own brain:

Doing that will make a NA car run acceptably, but prepare for unholy headgasket fuckage if you try to do a generic ignition retard off Z6-based lore. Crack open one of my .bins and pay attention to the high cam ignition map as it's ****. I'm not wholly happy about the low cam one... I think it could use more timing but I had zero time to play with it, and the time I spent fooling with the low cam boost values the car had a couple hiccoughs (BOV coming open, etc) that prevented me from smoothing things the way I wanted to.

lkailburn

I appreciate the bone. this is why i never used the bin, nothing in the world of cars is as easy as "just subtract 4". i've got a bin from jeffscivic23 "steve stock MAP final3.bin" and what i think is your bin "2[1].5tune9final.bin" and i've been comparing the timing. i've also been trying to wrap my head around theories of street tuning with a det can.

have a good one

-Luke

ncturbocivic

"I'm not wholly happy about the low cam one... I think it could use more timing but I had zero time to play with it, and the time I spent fooling with the low cam boost values the car had a couple hiccoughs (BOV coming open, etc) that prevented me from smoothing things the way I wanted to."

You will have time soon enough.... So hows March looking? Waiting on a little $$$ as usual, but when its here you will know... I hopefully will have some new gear for you to play with and learn/teach me with.


Seriously people, he has taught you enough, and I am an idiot as far as tuning is concerned and I can infer from everything that he has told you in two different forums and three different websites. Use the .bins, do a a few datalogs and go to a dyno. Its time to stop being so CHEAP and do your own homework!

Tom-Guy

I think my spring break is in April, but a Thursday or Sunday in March might work out pretty well for me too.

lkailburn

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you yell at everyone for being "CHEAP"..look at what forum your posting on. this site is HMT..a site devoted to backyard, junkyard, DIY setups. the members on this forum would much rather street tune their home built setups than pay someone else to do and not learn a damn thing about it. the reason this topic is so big is because people want to learn and understand their own setups rather than just paying a dyno tuner to do it for us.

i can't speak for everyone on the forum but i know this is my feelings. so excuse me for being cheap..i'd much rather save money, learn it myself, and do it myself.

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[continue reading about det cans]

-Luke

lkailburn

w00t, don't you just love it when you read something over again and then you go, "OOOOHHH now i get it"

just read all 10 pages of this thread: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1555006&page=1 and feel highly edjumacated

-Luke