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wideband innovate sensor ?? how long it lasts
hi guys ya i have a innnovative wideband and i think my sensor is going bad..
i have tuned about 8 times with it.. and it shows innaccurate afr way too lean like 16's 17's when idling.. and throws sensor timming errorrs sometimes... then i just reset it and re calibrate it its fine but now it dosent want to go awway as of now its working no code 8(sensor timming error) but shows too lean... could it mean the sensor is bad and its time for a new one.. let me know thanks.. 8) |
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it should last forever, i think it is a stock part on some vw and audi's.
when you use it did you have it pointing up? apparently if you do that water accumulates and kills it pretty good |
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Ypu probably overheated it.
If you have done a heater and free air calibration, and it still throws a code, then the sensor should be replaced. I have only killed one sensor in the past 2.5 years. Did you unplug the sensor from the controller and power it up to initiate a fresh heater calibration? |
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pretty much all these popular widebands uses the same vw/audi o2 sensors, I am on my third one. they don't last for ----.
I recently learned that you have to warm up the sensor before you start the car, or else it will shorten the life of it. I am using that concept to see how long my third sensor will last. I am using a zeitronix wideband and it have a sensor warmup period when you turn on the ignition, about 30 seconds. so I will see how long. |
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wow thanks for the input guys..
first off my sensor is mounted in the 12'O clock possiton means pointing down so no water can get in and destroy it.. yes i did the calibrations and reset it completley by revoming the sensor from the lc_1 and powering it up for 10 seconds and see the light flash code2 now it just is gay when i go to use it it shows verry lean 16 17 at idel and boosting 13's i tuned my car and it was running 11.2-11.9 when i tuned it but i will try to do the warm up before i fire up the car next time i use it once i get a new sensor.. and about that its a stock part on vw and audi it is.. but they dont dump as much fuel as we do on custom turbo hondas.. they have egr and add that into the mix and it reduces egt temp so they can actually run leaner under boost and not melt down... maybe that has something to do wiht the life.. and placement of the sensor.. btw my brother and sister own turbo 1.8t wv one is a gti and other is a jetta i shouild go see where the wideband is on those cars.. and my sensor is like 16'' inches of pipe awway from the turbo.. |
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are you tuning with leaded fuel?
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Originally Posted by rudebwoy
pretty much all these popular widebands uses the same vw/audi o2 sensors, I am on my third one. they don't last for ----.
I recently learned that you have to warm up the sensor before you start the car, or else it will shorten the life of it. I am using that concept to see how long my third sensor will last. I am using a zeitronix wideband and it have a sensor warmup period when you turn on the ignition, about 30 seconds. so I will see how long. I find this hard to believe considering this is an O.E.M sensor. |
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ok that heat up thing is a lie, heating it up and then starting the car is what KILLS it.
if you heat it up first and the fuckers hot and then you start your car and all kinds of relatively cool water vapor hits it, it says specifically in the manual not do do that. |
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Turbo4life- When you calibrated did you pull it out of the exhaust and make sure it is getting fresh air.
Originally Posted by snm95ls
Care to divulge your source?
I find this hard to believe considering this is an O.E.M sensor. They say the water vapor only affects the sensor if it is placed too low in the exhaust (like below 3 or 9 o-clock). It is a pdf somewhere. |
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Originally Posted by Adam Hopkins
They say the water vapor only affects the sensor if it is placed too low in the exhaust (like below 3 or 9 o-clock).
It is a pdf somewhere. having it below 3 or 9 will ruin it fast from water vapors running down and settling in it heating it up before you start the car will give it a blast of cool water vapor like said above. you ever mist water on a hot light bulb? same type of thing both will kill a sensor faster edit: leaving it on without the engine running will also ruin the sensor. the heater element relies on the engien to keep it at temperature, and the heater just fine tunes it. with the engine off, the heating element runs constant to try and keep it warm. |
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Originally Posted by Adam Hopkins
Turbo4life- When you calibrated did you pull it out of the exhaust and make sure it is getting fresh air.
Innovate has it in the owners manual for the LM-1 in their web site. www.innovatemotorsports.co They say the water vapor only affects the sensor if it is placed too low in the exhaust (like below 3 or 9 o-clock). It is a pdf somewhere. It is NOT a good idea to connect the LC-1 permanently to 12V and switch it on with a separate switch before the vehicle is started. Depending on the climate and the sensor position in the exhaust, condensation water can form in the exhaust pipes. This condensation water could then be blown by the exhaust stream against the hot sensor when the car is started. The resulting heat shock can permanently damage the sensor. 4.3 Calibration Schedule Normally aspirated daily driver: - Calibrate before installation of new sensor - Calibrate new sensor again after 3 month of use - Thereafter calibrate once a year or every 20,000 miles, whichever comes first Turbo car, daily driver (tuned rich): - Calibrate before installation of new sensor - Calibrate new sensor again after 3 month of use - Thereafter calibrate twice a year or every 10,000 miles, whichever comes first Race car - Calibrate before first installation of new sensor - Calibrate once per race weekend Dyno use - Calibrate a new sensor - Calibrate every 2-3 days, depending on usage
Originally Posted by Adam Hopkins
Turbo4life- When you calibrated did you pull it out of the exhaust and make sure it is getting fresh air?
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Also driving around with the sensor off will ruin it in a matter of hours, ask me how I know :1
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i have a sensor from my LC-1 that a friend fried by hooking it up backwards :1 if you can't find one at a decent price PM me.
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ya i always pulled it out in fresh air i reset it completly by unplugging it and powring up the lc_1 then pluging it in and free air calibration outside of the car i just let it sit on the radiator support then turn it off and unplug it and scew it back in and then plug it in and then go from there.. and i was heating it before start up a couple of times maybe that has to do something with it taking a ----..
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I don't know about the other widebands, but the zeitronix wideband have a sensor warmup period of 30 seconds, and the AEM has one of 10 seconds, they recomend using it before starting. they both uses the same sensor.
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Dont heat up the sensor prior to starting...
Do place it 9 o' clock to 3 o' clock position in the exhaust 8-18 inches from the turbo... Constantly taking out and putting in the sensor will shorten the life of it...these sensors are sensitive to getting knocked around... Leaded gas will shorten the life of the sensor... Sensors are never covered under any sort of warranty :-\ |
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YA.. IM GONNA TRY TO ------ RIG MY SENSOR TO WORK ILL ---- WITH IT SOME CARB CLEANER AND ---- ;D
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Originally Posted by xenocron
Dont heat up the sensor prior to starting...
Do place it 9 o' clock to 3 o' clock position in the exhaust 8-18 inches from the turbo... Constantly taking out and putting in the sensor will shorten the life of it...these sensors are sensitive to getting knocked around... Leaded gas will shorten the life of the sensor... Sensors are never covered under any sort of warranty :-\ |
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Originally Posted by rudebwoy
so it is best just to get in the car after its been sitting overnight and start it up right away?
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I have mine installed at the end of the downpipe before the cat, at 12 o clock position. I also contsantly run water/methanol injection when I am in boost.
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Originally Posted by rudebwoy
pretty much all these popular widebands uses the same vw/audi o2 sensors, I am on my third one. they don't last for ----.
I recently learned that you have to warm up the sensor before you start the car, or else it will shorten the life of it. I am using that concept to see how long my third sensor will last. I am using a zeitronix wideband and it have a sensor warmup period when you turn on the ignition, about 30 seconds. so I will see how long. When the EGT's are normal and the sensor has 'gently' warmed up, the condensation from normal exhaust gases have no detrimental effect on it. And if you ever read up on how meth/h2o injection worked, the h2o soaks up heat as its converted to vapor, and the meth is consumed. Its water condensation that will kill it, not water vapor. 2 different states of matter. |
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no warm up got it! and be verry gentle to the sensor when installing/removing it!!
and so waht about the water injection? it cant hurt the sensor when boosting? |
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I run water/meth daily...
It isnt water anymore once it goes through the motor... |
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Well it probably what happend to mine :( I was going to buy another lc1, but now that I know that I will try a new sensor ;D
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im still waiting for my sensor to come and see what happens
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I have a PLX M300. I don't drive my car in the winter, but I leave it hooked up all the time.
Every spring, the sensors will read normal until WOT. Then it goes lean. I ruined two sensors by having them "sit"... so now I just have it pulled from my car completely and don't use it. I'm sick of buying new sensors. :-X |
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on sensor works the other is CRAP >:D the way yous said O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
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