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What would you guys get and why? Some use diff. sensors? I got scared with the plx m300. Read someones engine blew! I would like to get your opinion!

Thanks in Advance!

PLX M-300 - http://www.plxdevices.com
Innovate - http://www.innovatemotorsports.com
TechEdge - http://www.wbo2.com

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off topic: you wouldn't happen to know a good site to learn about tuning with a wb02 would you?

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Personally I'd choose the PLX devices M300 because it's fairly small and can be easily mounted on your steering column etc. for easy viewing. I'll actually probably be picking one up within the next few weeks.

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the plx wbo2 didn't blow up the engine, poor tuning did.

whether the poor tuning was a result of incorrect information from the plx wbo2 is a different subject.

common sense generally keeps people from blowing engines up...

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how about AEM UGO wideband with the gauge! ;D

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The PLX M-300 and the Innovate Motorsports LM-1 are both fine pieces, both of which I offer for sale, both of which I have first hand knowledge of (just like anything else I sell, if its crap, I dont sell it).

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I have a techedge, as do several other of the guys from PGMFI that don't wander over here much.

I bought the kit. The best part was that it was cheap ($230 including sensor, display and shipping). Assembly wasn't that hard, but took a while. Cable was a bitch...

The only thing that I think the techedge has that the others don't is a provision for logging EGTs. This brings me to a point at which I can preach...

Worrying about the display on your wideband O2 is ------- retarded. Worry more about the datalogging capabilities of the unit (or how it will interface with the datalogging capabilities of your ECU) because datalogging will tell you a thousand times more than your eye ever will.

They're all very good quality units (even the AEM) and any would be a great investment.

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Preach on...PLX provides the simplicity, display, sensor support, and outputs for ECU datalogging, as well.

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Forcedair,

Which one do you think is more accurate, The PLX M-300 and the Innovate Motorsports LM-1.????

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i noticed the PLX is plug and play, no calibration needed vs Innovative you need to calibrate.

now what happens to the PLX when a o2 sensor performance starts to deteriate and theres no way to recalibrate like the Innovative LM-1 model? if thats the case i think thats one pro the Innovative has going for it.

thoughts, questions, experiences welcomed...

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pretty simple to me what to get...turboedit is going to be supporting the PLX unit, so i am ordering it VERY soon...

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Does the PLX use the inexpensive Bosch LSU4? I looked around the site but didn't see anything specifically stating so.

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it comes with an O2...and it only cost like 300bucks so i assume its the cheap ass bosch sensor...

btw my PLX is on the way ;D ;D ;D ;D

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The M-300 uses the LSU4 and is $329 + $10 Shipping/Handling for the controller with a display, sensor and cable.

The M-200 Uses the NTK Wideband and is $484 + $10 Shipping/Handling for the controller with a display, sensor and cable.

Prices Here:http://www.plxdevices.com/onlinestore_domestic.htm

Comparison Here:http://www.plxdevices.com/M-Series_Product_Matrix.htm

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I ordered a kit of DIY-WB for $24us. I don't think it does data logging though, that would have been nice to have.

Stan

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Exactly. Though, the LM-1 has the datalogging and that is its pro. Not so much the calibration. Because when your sensor gets to that point, no matter where you "zero" it, its accuracy will be deterorated as well (inaccurate).

You can't go wrong with either really. And yep, TurboHF, yours left early this afternoon. Well, left the warehouse anyway.

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Yep, the M200 are back in production/stock.

Depending upon interest of this, I may stock this particular unit. So, take that as a hint I guess.

Any interest? If so, email me at owner@forced-air.com simply because the forums can get overloaded at times which hinders my response time, not to mention I always have my email proggy running. DONT ask me "how much" as this depends upon interest (so assume full retail price when showing interest). :) TY for your understanding.

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I'll vouch on Jayson, as I believe TurboHF (Dustin) will. He's a great guy, we've talked on the phone a few hours and he's got a very level head. Don't bother him with bullshit "I'm just looking" questions so, for god's sake, HAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD IN YOUR HAND! Don't BS him, please.

I purchased form him, and my product shipped same day and arrived a day early! I will definately give him my business again.

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thats what i did...CC was in hand...of couse i usually by ---- with the "i have cash give me my ----" aditude.
any he seemed cool, dont think i will have any problems. also i believe Dave/leed said he bought a PLX from Forcedair also in a different post...

now HURRY UP with the PLX support in turboedit :P

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I ended up buying a DIY-WB.com kit yesterday. For 22 bucks it was worth a try.
Saw a dude on ebay has wide band LSU4 O2 sensors for $55 too.
If anyone is interested, I will post my results on how it works.
Dan-O

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unless the diy-wb guys have changed the design in the last 6 months, the $55 LSU sensor WILL NOT WORK with the diy-wb kit. it requires the use of the $200 L1H1 sensor.

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i think i may go with the innovate cuz i want to log different makes of cars, otherwise for my own use with TE i would just get the plx as well. only thing im not sure of is how good the datalogging is. seems its still a work in progress or something and someone even had to script their own excel sheet to organize the raw data.

the techedge is nice of course but pricey unless you feel you can assemble the diy kit. if blundar says one part can be a bitch for him, its probably a nightmare for me since i only have experience doing basic chipping and would hate to troubleshoot the plethora of components.

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So how you like it bro? :) I see it got delivered today. Stupid holiday holding up the shipment :/

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Yup you were right. I got a refund the next day on the sensor. The seller was pretty cool about it.

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well my ------- UPS driver apearently doesnt know how to use a doorbell! so my drop off was 'reshedualed' but i was playing the the garage all this morning and she dropped it off to me and i had it installed like half and hour later ;D but had to go to work right after i got it installed...
so anyway some serious attention is needed for my vacuum maps cuz its a little too lean, and i figured out why my car bogs hardcore under WOT sometimes....i smash the throttle..jumps to 12...10...RICH (bog)-----10's----RICH....so im off to go do some tuning right now accually...


ForcedAir gets a big thumbs up!!! PLX also gets a thumbs up also...install was super easy! run the O2 cable, run wire to ground and one to ignition, and velco display to dash (btw no velco included? :P)

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What no Velcro??? I don't want one anymore :P just kidding. Hehe hf no wonder you were bogging out. Your probably spitting raw gasoline out the exhaust :-X

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weird, the Innovative website says that their meter works with either the NTK sensor or the Bosch sensor, but comes with the bosch. I don't know of any other units that can use either sensor.

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OMG!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
so i selected a good amount of the boost map and took out like 2% fuel (gotta take baby steps with fuel ya know) and added like 6% to pretty much the whole vaccum map (to about 8") AF's on the vaccum map are cool till i throw a O2 CEL (i dont have the narrow band hooked up) and it seems to be leaner? but on the boost map OMG 12-10's dont think it hit any rich's and it just ripped 3 gear!! pulled all the way...


WideBand's get a :-* from me....

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...Dave didn't get this tuned out on the dyno? :-\

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that dyno's WB is FUCKED UP! didnt read the begining or the runs and would say it was totally lean at the end...thats where my other HP was hiding...my car deff pulls harder than before...

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Damn that sucks. :(

I really wish we could've gotten tuned on the dyno.. I bet you would have been making mad power. :D

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k this isnt making sence: i reset my ECU...get 14's at idle...after a while it will throw a code 1 and it will idle at like 15-17's (idle still doesnt stay in one spot)? shouldnt it be richer with a code 1?? (btw my stock O2 isnt plugged in...)

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I'm not sure.. I'm not one of those that try to initiate open loop by disconnecting my O2. ;)

Why do you have ti unplugged anyway? Try not to tune during closed loop?

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well i only hve one usable O2 bung... how do i make the ECU read off the PLX O2 sensor?

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You use the thin grey wire coming off the WB controller. Splice in that 1uf cap (used as a noise reducer) and wire it to your O2 sensor input on the ECU.

Wa-la. All done.

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Aaaah, fooling the ecu into thinking the wideband is still a narrowband O2. ;D

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k, wouldnt that lower the signal?
like this right?

[WB Controler]====--U--===[ECU]

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Right-on, chief. 8)

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C'mon Jason, you know better :P

On the dyno vid watch the A/F display during one of Beaus runs, that ---- was all over the place.
Basically, the beginning of the run and the end are wrong. From about 4k-6k it was correct, so I just used the same inj. M/S for the top end, just leaned it a bit for the mad breathing power of the LS.

I datalogged all my runs and then graphed the PLX output vs Dyno WB02 output and the results were interesting. I dont have the graph on this computer, but Dyno in-pipe O2's lag about 300-400rpm, but for the most part was on par.

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I have the innovative one setting in my room at home.... so you know where my preference is.

In all honestly I dont think you can beat all of the things it can do for its price... yes its bulky but who needs a wideband to be on all the time...you really only need it as a tuning tool.

I have not used it yet but as soon as this damn snow goes away.... I cant wait to test it out and start tuning with it.