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TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
Hi guys...
I have a stock D16Z2 engine in my 1990 Civic Hatch. I chipped my ECU, burned a stock PM6 map to it, and everything is working fine. However, i now bought 450cc DSM injectors and a Motorola 3bar MAP sensor from Xenocron and want to install it. I installed TurboEdit 3.1.9, opened up NG60 ROM, imported stock PM6 maps and then changed injector sizing and MAP sensor in ROM properties, saved the .bin, burned it to the chip, installed everything, and the car won't idle properly. It will start, but won't idle properly...revs are jumping up and down (more down than up) and it just stalls and dies after a few seconds. Is this procedure correct? Should that work like that? I know that the initial PM6 map is good, since i'm driving right now with it. It just seems that injector sizing doesn't work right. I also have an Ostrich, but haven't used it since, so if you know how to try it with Ostrich, let me know. I would now like to change injectors only as a first step, and leave the stock MAP sensor for now. Since i took off injectors and put new ones on and took new ones off and put stock ones back just to be able to go to work a few times, i'd really like to make it work right this time and not have to swap injectors again. Can you explain the procedure please? |
Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
try doing it with just the injectors and not the map sensor, or try burning a bin from Xenocrons website that is similar to yours
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
post up a copy of the map you are using.... get it running on the stock map sensor...i always suggest one change at a time...
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
Basemaps aren't supposed to run like stock. They are a starting place to tune from.
Tune the map you've made if you want the car to idle and drive correctly. |
Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
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This is the map that I was trying to run on, but it doesn't seem to work....OK, I'll try just to modify a stock map choosing the 450 ccm injectors for now...will let you know how it went...
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
A GM 3 Bar Calibration and a Motorola 3 Bar calibration are going to run very differently.
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
Originally Posted by #Leo#
This is the map that I was trying to run on, but it doesn't seem to work....ZC, I'll try just to modify a stock map choosing the 450 ccm injectors for now...will let you know how it went...
hopefully you are using a wideband to tune your fuel values ;) once you get your afrs squared away, then you can switch to the 3bar and give that a shot. are you just running na for now or do you have a turbo? if so, what are you running? |
Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
I am running NA for now, my intention was to put 450 ccm DSM's on my engine so that I would have less work when I will be putting a turbo on it....I presumed that the stock map would work fine if I only change injector sizing in Turboedit from 240 to 450 ccm. Could anyone put a bin file here just to show me how the fuel map should look like for a stock na engine (d16z2 pm6) just with 450 ccm's ????
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
The stock map would work fine if you change the sizing in TurboEdit from 240 to 450, and use that as a starting point to tune from.
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
The stock map would work fine if you change the sizing in TurboEdit from 240 to 450, and use that as a starting point to tune from.
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
2xenocron> can you explain a little bit more, what to add and where...(procedure..)..sorry to bother, but I'm new to maps and chip tuning, so I would appriciate if you could explain what to do....thank you
P.S. Do you mean that I change the stock map from 240 to 450, and then to add a 0.6 in all the fuel map fields below 3200 rpms....or something else:)? |
Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
he is saying change your injector size (in turboedit) to 450cc then use a stock map and add .6 to injector pulse below 3200rpm
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
Originally Posted by txdohczc
he is saying change your injector size (in turboedit) to 450cc then use a stock map and use that as a starting point to tune from
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
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2txdohczc>If I use a stock map, and then change injector sizing from 240 to 450, then I need to add a 0.6 value in every fuel map field below 3200 prm?....did you guys mean that?
Something like this maybe ? : On first picture is a stock PM6 map On second picture is map with changed injector sizing from 240 to 450 in Turboedit, everything else is as it were in stock one Let's stop now on this. Is that procedure and are these values correct? If yes, what to do next? |
Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
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Here is the picture after first step, stock PM6 with changed injector sizing from 240 to 450 ccm.
What to do next? Should I add a 0,6 value in every fuel map field below 3200 rpm? |
Turboedit vs. Chrome, help
I kwon that Turboedit is for OBD0 and Chrome for OBD1 ECU's.
I need to ask you all one question, is there a significant difference in procedures etc. with tuning with turboedit and with Chrome? I'm asking this 'cause I 've got a friend that tuned his OBD1 d16 with Chrome pretty good, and I would like him to tune my OBD0 D16 with Turboedit when I'm done with my setup, but he has never tuned a car with Turboedit. So, if you would be so kind and anwser me is tuning with Turboedit and with Chrome alike, and what to focus on, where are (if there are any) major differences, what to be careful about etc. In short, major differences in tuning with those to programs and what to keep in mind. Thanks |
Re: Turboedit vs. Chrome, help
honestly obd1 conversion and ectune is your best bet
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Re: Turboedit vs. Chrome, help
Hmm, I don't know why are you saying that....I think that my 1990 D16Z2 OBD0 can be successfully tuned with Turboedit.
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Re: Turboedit vs. Chrome, help
Originally Posted by #Leo#
Hmm, I don't know why are you saying that....I think that my 1990 D16Z2 OBD0 can be successfully tuned with Turboedit.
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Re: Turboedit vs. Chrome, help
IM just saying iv been tuning my own car for a year now and ectune was the most strait forward program to use. IMO i have seen good things with turboedit also ive tried bre on obdo b16 NA it was nice. Im not trying to knock you setup or you wishes im just giving my $0.02 if i had to choose between turboedit and crome i would choose crome b/c its a newer program with more potential the turboedit.
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Re: Turboedit vs. Chrome, help
The point is, I'm trying to get informed here about differences for tuning with Turboedit and with Chrome....in other words, if a person is good in tuning with Chrome, could he tune with Turboedit also, I'm asking because he never used Turboedit before.
Chrome is not an option, because I'm not willing to switch from OBD0 to OBD1. Thanks anyway for a tip.:) |
Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
if you can't ------- grasp the concept of tuning your ---- so it runs better after being told 10 times, your ---- is never gonna run and will blow up hotrex style
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
2complex> nobody was born with all the knowledge...everybody learns....is it not better to ask one thing here even 100 times to get it straight without a doubt, or to ---- up my engine?...so chill....if you don't like what I am writing, don't read....or better, don't comment if you can not or wont help....
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Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
Originally Posted by #Leo#
2complex> nobody was born with all the knowledge...everybody learns....is it not better to ask one thing here even 100 times to get it straight without a doubt, or to ---- up my engine
You need to exert some effort, that's the #1 reason why you aren't getting what you seek from this forum. On our end we're waiting for you to spend a single hour ------- around and trying stuff so you come back and ask real questions instead of this "hold my hand daddy" stuff. |
Re: TurboEdit, 450cc injectors, stock PM6 map, 3bar Motorola MAP - doesn't work!
Well, nobody needs to hold my hand, for sure:)
I will spend some time and I am doing it allready, but I'm still waiting for a chip burner from USA, so, in a mean while I'm trying to find out anything that can be usefull. For now I can just ask questions, I can't experiment...be sure that I will as soon as I get my hands on equipment. So, if anyone has anything usefull to write down considering my questions, I'll be grateful, if not thanks anyway. |
Re: Turboedit vs. Chrome, help
ooo now i get it he could prolly tune with turboedit might take longer to learn all the tricks with a new program
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