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03-25-2005, 11:27 AM

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Re: A trend I'm seeing that has me concerned...

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i'm smart, i'm having leed tune up my ecu chip with uberdata

Dont take this the wrong way but this is half the problem. People are too dependent on the Lead guys and don't bother to learn the program, use it or buy the proper equipment. This brings you into problems during motor or turbo upgrades. You have to find someone willing to help you out. Its easy at HMT to find willing people to help but people in general have to learn to be more self sufficient. When I first thought about turboing my car I did as much research as I could. I decided that Uberdata was the way to go. I taught myself to chip my ECU, I bought a burner, I learned the software, (Kevin I will have a definate answer on the Y8 question soon) and I blame myself if something is wrong. I had VTEC CEL issues that Kevin and the Uberdata forum helped with and thats what they are there for, but people are totally leaning on others to tune their cars and are gone afterwards. The issue comes down to money for the most part. If you dont have the time to learn or the money to tune at a dyno or a good tuner you shouldn't use DIY fuel management.

Its nice to be able to lean on your HMT brothers but some of these guys think you owe it to them.

i see nothing wrong with getting others to set up and tune your car if you don't know how to use the programs and don't feel like investing in all of the equipment and time to learn, hell i reccomend it. it's a lot cheaper to pay someone to tune your car than it is to invest in a wideband, chip burner, romulator, lap top, etc. and some people don't have the desire to learn the programs, nor care to be able to tune their own car, but that doesn't mean that they should be denied the chance to take advantage of a much cheaper alternative to get their car running good.

Kevin I meant really TUNING a setup. Most of these guys think because they got a chipped ECU with a chip with a basemap then they are done. Then the posts start flying about fouled plugs, shitty gas mileage, blown motors, etc. I guess my point is that is the "customer" doesn't fully understand that a long distance tune is really good for nothing but getting to the dyno or to get to someone with a wideband to street tune it. Also it puts the burden on people like you, Chris, or whoever to fix the problem. It just seems like the more business you do the more headaches will come your way if you have uninformed customers. I do stand by my statement that people should learn the program they are using. If you can't take the time to learn how your management works then you probably have a shop installing your ----. I really have no respect for that. If you are building a car, build it, don't pay someone to do it for you.

03-25-2005, 11:33 AM

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Re: A trend I'm seeing that has me concerned...

Example: I threw a basemap in Josh's GSR last night.(His chip ---- the bed but was basemap anyway.) He knows not to beat it and stays out of boost for the most part. Should he buy a burner and learn the program? Yes and he said thats what he is going to do. Any changes to his setup leaves him dependent on someone to reburn his setup. Though He knows that the map is just a get around map. He is goning to have Phiz or Chris throw a tune on it.

03-25-2005, 11:41 AM

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Re: A trend I'm seeing that has me concerned...

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---- that 140 boost eff. and beat the **** out of it

03-25-2005, 02:52 PM

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Ill ask Josh if he wants a quick reburn!

03-25-2005, 03:57 PM

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Re: A trend I'm seeing that has me concerned...

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Chris, ...shall we host another class in a couple of weeks? Showcase new feature, put to bed any misinformations, show how-tos, and answer tuning questions?

I've wanted to do this for MONTHS!!

I know BigWig at one point wanted to do this for Uber as well. If someone helps me run the Reflector, I have no problems with setting it all up...

03-25-2005, 04:09 PM

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Ok, I'll get with Dave and get it setup...

03-29-2005, 01:26 AM

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Re: A trend I'm seeing that has me concerned...

as a newbie looking in. I found it to be too much tech for me, so I let Blundar handle my chippage.

I know what I want done, he just types in numbers. In return, I do his tranny work.

Give me a carb, mech/vac advance dizzy with points, I'll hold school then.