FooK

Will you know i was just messing with you when i told you turboedit sucks right?

ps - d16 > turboedit stil

i personally would never say that any of these software rom editors suck, its more than i could ever imagine of doing. I do however not know how to use them yet, mostly because i havent had a car or the equipement to mess with it yet.

i would always try to look up an issue i could potentially be having on the related forum before I just started pm'ing the ---- outta you guys.

mrdjay107

money sent!! TURBOEDIT thumbs up X10..

J-MAN

damn even i agree with everything you guys are saying and i haven't even tried to mess with the maps on uber. i am slowly learning about all the features and when i get a chip burner and WBO2 i will start trying to tune for myself. just about everything is covered either here or the ubersite, and if you can't find an answer then post on the uber forum.
and like you said nothign DIY is plug and play, well almost nothign. everything is gonna take some messing with to get it right. kinda bothers me when people think they can just bolt a turbo up to their car and everything will run like stock from that point on with out tuning and troubleshooting little problems like boost leaks and stuff like that.
whe iget money i will deffinatley donate because i love uberdata, best thing since sliced bread.

Chris Harris

I dont know John's paypal ID, please post it if you do.

GenLx

i'm smart, i'm having leed tune up my ecu chip with uberdata

SpankedYA!

Dont take this the wrong way but this is half the problem. People are too dependent on the Lead guys and don't bother to learn the program, use it or buy the proper equipment. This brings you into problems during motor or turbo upgrades. You have to find someone willing to help you out. Its easy at HMT to find willing people to help but people in general have to learn to be more self sufficient. When I first thought about turboing my car I did as much research as I could. I decided that Uberdata was the way to go. I taught myself to chip my ECU, I bought a burner, I learned the software, (Kevin I will have a definate answer on the Y8 question soon) and I blame myself if something is wrong. I had VTEC CEL issues that Kevin and the Uberdata forum helped with and thats what they are there for, but people are totally leaning on others to tune their cars and are gone afterwards. The issue comes down to money for the most part. If you dont have the time to learn or the money to tune at a dyno or a good tuner you shouldn't use DIY fuel management.

Its nice to be able to lean on your HMT brothers but some of these guys think you owe it to them.

projekteg

i see nothing wrong with getting others to set up and tune your car if you don't know how to use the programs and don't feel like investing in all of the equipment and time to learn, hell i reccomend it. it's a lot cheaper to pay someone to tune your car than it is to invest in a wideband, chip burner, romulator, lap top, etc. and some people don't have the desire to learn the programs, nor care to be able to tune their own car, but that doesn't mean that they should be denied the chance to take advantage of a much cheaper alternative to get their car running good.

Sikocivic

I have been running TurboEdit for about a year now and yes I have had some problems(like putting the chip in upside down ) but like you said, most of them were my fault. I have tried to read as much as I can about tuning with this program and I find the basics are fairly easy to learn. I am not a computer guy and that has been the main thing that has slowed me up with all this. This year I have bought an Innovative LM-1 WB and now I hope I can finaly get the power out of my ZC that I should be. I was running a BIN file for the 3 bar that I got from the PMFI board last year that worked pretty good but without a WB I was just lost as far as tuning goes. I was signed up for the tuning class for TurboEdit this winter but I don't think it was ever held. The one thing I would ask is that someone would post a method of tuning a car. Like after you install a base map then what do you do next? Work on the WOT AF first? Vacuum AF? When and how do you figure out the timing should be? Timing first or AF first?

I would like to say that I can't thank you guys enough for all the work you have put into these programs. Without TurboEdit my ZC would not be in one piece, it would problably be where my first motor is,in the junk with a BIG whole in it

TurboEF9

That right there is the exact problem. These "Can you make me a basemap?" tunes that are being -----d around the board are not tunes. They're someone guessing at values based on the motor and what psi and injectors they're running.

That's not tuning. That's guessing. Then when something doesn't run right, it's the software's fault, of course, *EVERYONE* knows how to make a basemap, and Internet Tuning is the latest and greatest thing. Just ask Mase...

But I do understand where you're coming from, however, a certain amount of responsibility needs to be taken on the part of the user. Their expectations need to be set that no one is going to tune thier car perfectly over the Internet, hell even decently is a far cry over the Internet. And anyone who know anything about actually tuning a car would know this. It takes time to get a smooth tune. Trial and Error is the only way to get a good tune. This "basemap owns all" philosophy needs to end.


And as far as us helping... I wouldn't mind sitting in on another TurboEDIT Class. There are a lot more members people using the software, and this is great, but we need to make sure people are using it correctly, and the rumors, and misinformation are cleared up as well.

Chris, ...shall we host another class in a couple of weeks? Showcase new feature, put to bed any misinformations, show how-tos, and answer tuning questions?

projekteg

lol, mase whoring himself out on the internet dyno too and when i said "i don't see anything wrong with having someone set up and tune", i meant just that, physically tuning the car, not a basemap taht was tuned for a similar set up or what not. i make sure to tell everyone that what they're getting is a basemap, and the car is not going to have a perfect idle or run as good as it should until it's tuned with a wideband.