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Old 10-19-2008, 06:18 PM
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I've been having problems adjusting ignition timing for a while now, I've replaced parts adjust and inspect everything.
I've changed timing belt covers, cam gears, crank pulleys, but I still can't get my timing to stock specs at idle moving the distributor all the way to the front.

what else could be the issue? I've adjusted it by hear and its at the center, with the timing light its completely off.

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Old 10-19-2008, 06:31 PM
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What cams are you using and did you degree them? Whats your timing map set at on idle?
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Old 10-19-2008, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by d112crzy
What cams are you using and did you degree them? Whats your timing map set at on idle?
cams are crower turbo cams, with golden eagle gears set at zero.
timing map at idle is 16 degrees.
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Old 10-19-2008, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rudebwoy
cams are crower turbo cams, with golden eagle gears set at zero.
timing map at idle is 16 degrees.
Setting the cam gears to zero has nothing to do with degreeing a set of cams.

Have you double checked the cam timing itself? Pull the crnak pulley, and check the crank gear at the oil pump and then check the cam gears to make sure they are indexed properly.


Is there anything odd about the block and head combination? Any heavy milling on either?
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:45 AM
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Aftermarket cams aren't neccesarily in time with timing marks at 0,0. If there has been milling/decking even stock cams can be out of time at 0,0.

You have a B-series, as long as the lower timing cover fits you can run any crank pulley and it'll line up correctly.

If you can not physically turn the distributor far enough to go into ignition time that's pretty fucked. There's ~7-9 degrees travel in either direction, with respect to the distributor centered.
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Old 10-20-2008, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by snm95ls
Setting the cam gears to zero has nothing to do with degreeing a set of cams.

Have you double checked the cam timing itself? Pull the crnak pulley, and check the crank gear at the oil pump and then check the cam gears to make sure they are indexed properly.


Is there anything odd about the block and head combination? Any heavy milling on either?
I am not trying to degree the cams, I am trying to set my ignition timing with the distributor.
everything is in sync with each other all the marks on the block, crank gear, cover, head are all in the correct position. the head has not been milled.
I am wondering if its just a issue with the ls/vtec process.
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:01 AM
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Do you not know that if your cam timing is off your ignition timing will also be off?

Just because your timing marks line up doesn't mean everything is REALLY lined up. You need to degree your cams to verify that.
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:30 AM
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how do I go about doing this? is there a gauge made for hondas?
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by d112crzy
Do you not know that if your cam timing is off your ignition timing will also be off?

Just because your timing marks line up doesn't mean everything is REALLY lined up. You need to degree your cams to verify that.
+1. There is a fixture that Xenocron sells now for doing this, but if you understand how the degreeing process works, you don't really need it. It sure does make it easier though.


No it isn't a problem with the LS/VTEC process.


Let me ask a silly question.

How are you setting the ignition timing? What type fo timing light are you using? is it a standard one or a dial back timing light. Which marks are you using on the crankshaft pulley?
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:59 AM
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the timing light that I am using is a crafts man light with a dial on it for advance , I set it at zero.
the marks I am using is the red mark on the crank pulley and the mark on the belt cover
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