So, this is obviously a Engine Mangement question.....
 

First off, much respect to you guys and what you do! I have lurked for a minute, but never registered until today....honestly, I was scared lol...jk

I have a dilemma...I am currently using the E Manage that came with my Greddy kit on my EG Hatchy....d16z6> All stock kit except a FMIC.

Question...I want to up the boost, and do not want to make the jump to a chipped ECU, so please dont offer that as an option. I have an opportunity to get an AFC / 440 injectors / and NON Forged NEW Vitara pistons and some new rings on the SUPER CHEAP....dont ask, but ------- CHEAP son....lol...

I want to buy this, but im not totally sold on the AFC hack over my current emanage. I can tell you that the cost to upgrade my emanage, buy the software yada yada is more than the AFC and other stuff...and i STILL would have to buy injectors....

What would you guys do? Rock the AFC Hack? its not my DD I just wanna smoke a few cars on the expressway and the track lol,,,help a brother decide please!!! I need to know asap!

Thanks

C

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noone? Did I not ask the right question?

I have been researching and the hack is not looking great...but its basically what I am running now w emanage if I am correct anyway right?

or is E Manage THAT much better? :-[

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Chipped ecu. </thread>

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Thanks for playing....

Anyone else care to chime in?

::)

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Well your question sucks. You also asked what we would do and I told you what any member with half a brain on this site runs on their Honda. You are trying to compare between 2 shitty engine management systems that are more expensive than chipping your ecu. This leads me to believe you're not very intelligent so I was trying to help you out.

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you aint gonna be smokin nothin but your turbo if you decide to go with a "hack" job....i dont know much about e-manage, but look into getting crome or hondata....

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You are right...my ? does suck, but so did your reply because it did not answer my question, at all. Specifically, it actually went against what I asked replies NOT to be. Who is intelligent now brother? Im not here to get in a war, I am too old for that ----, and to be quite frank, that is why I did not want to really register on here. But to waste the wealth of knowlegde here by not posting my question would be a crime!

Look, I know both are shitty. An emanage is a glorified Greddy AFC hack, face it, that is what it is man, no hiding that. What I was asking is that I want to up my boost, I have an opportunity to DO that with the hack, until I decide what real mgmt I will get in the near future.

Per your mods post here https://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/...?topic=14497.0 the hack , when those Ideals are applied "will produce safe and reliable power". Are you stating this man is not intelligent either?

Now I see how you got 13000+ posts, nice.

dispo, at least thank you for being honest about your knowledge level on E manage, I can appreciate your comments due to that honesty......

That said, the majority of project cars and such I have been reading about rock the FMU on here, yes back in the day, but do NOT chastise me for asking an honest question, esp after I really did reseaerch on it prior to asking it.......

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----...i have another question...since both of you fools said crome/chipped ECU....

If i get the BASE MAP setup from xenocrome, (this is where my lack of eng mgmt knowledge will show like a mother fucker), I know i have to get it tuned right? If i have to get it tuned...then how is it cheaper then the AFC hack?

Is that JUST to adjust the a/f and make sure that is ok? Or will I need I guess a full tune? Is there a difference.

Average cost to get a base map tuned? You may change my mind. I am STILL buying the V Afc, becauase I am getting it, Vitara Pistons and rings, and 450 DSM injectors for WAY cheap...i dont even want to post the price, but its less than the injectors and pistons would be by FAR....yet alone the V Afc. (see why i am contemplating it now?)

----...pls dont flame a mofo. O0

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At least your stupid ass is coming around by asking about real management now.

It's XENOCRON, not xenocrome. Yes you'll have to get it tuned. It all depends on if you do it yourself or if you pay someone to tune it, same applies with an AFC hack. A professional will tune your timing for good power/reliability as well as fuel. The costs vary greatly depending on who is tuning and can range from $100-$600, maybe more.

Nobody cares what you paid for anything btw, you're not impressing anybody. This is HMT, we've all gotten cheap ---- before.

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Look buddy, not trying to impress anyone, yet alone the total douche that your fine comments have portrayed you as lol... I was justifying my thoughts of going AFC hack, point blank that is it. It appears YOU are the stupid ass who cant read or interpret a simple internet post.....sorry you did not comprehend why I said that statement.

Whatever on the name, you know who I meant, so what the ---- does it matter?

Bottom line, no matter what way I go , the hack or crome, it does NOT eliminate the need for tuning. I honestly thought from reading up on this forum, that the AFC did not require anything more than a baseline or two to ensure proper A/F ratio. Sorry if the information on here was not accurate per jagojon3's post above.

Thanks, you ------- -------! hahahahahaha!! >:D

Kidding yo, but ---- man, lay off the yay, its starting to bleed through on your posts......... :-X^-^ Jeebus....

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Yea, I'm an -------. Deal with it.

Bottom line is an AFC sucks. It gets the job done but how long will your engine last? Don't be a ------- fool, chip your ecu if you have any brains.

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word

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So after reading around a little on this, I read in ONE place that Crome is no good for boosted applications and that I should use EcTune instead. What is up with that and do any of you foolios have a comment on that?

Soliciting opinions, assholes allowed to post! ::) ;D


Thanks

C O0 :6

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Jago can't help that you decided to ignore the obvious answer. It's like 'yes or no but dont say yes.'

If you get ---- so cheap then sell the hack and emanage and come out on top after the chipped ecu.

You have to pay someone to tune any of the above every time you change your setup, so it's a moot point that a basemap needs tuned

crome is a litte slower with development and updates, but without datalogging it is free. It works fine for me and many others, but I see alot of people bitching when they pay to upgrade to pro and have to wait on a reg string. I use crome free and datalog with freelog.

I never played with Ectune so I can't really comment, sounds like good ---- though

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yeah, i have done alot more research since that part of the post and have since bought and sold the AFC, so im in it for a chipped ECU. Really at this point I just need to decide which one to get.

Im leaning toward Crome, but on John Vegas site it says that Crome is not recommended for boosted applications.

Anyway, alot of folks have said on H-T (eh...) that crome was fine too, thats probably the way I will go, but I wanted to solicit HMT's thoughts on that ---- too.

so, uh EcTune or Crome? :)

Thanks for your response brother.

C O0

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I LIKE CHOCOLATE!

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::)

I like chocolate covered pringles. ^-^

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You gotta ask who is going to tune it? Are you going to dive in and do it yourself or pay someone?

If you are going to pay someone then you have to find reputable people in your area and talk with them about what they use. Don't try to sell the software to the tuner, find a tuner that is experienced and confident in what they use. And remember alot of high dollar tooner shops are going to ---- on every low budget software especially crome for some reason. Its like if it didn't cost a G it's junk ::)

If you are going to try it yourself start out with the free ---- like crome. If you don't like it you're not out the cost of a license, if you do and get good at it you may want to buy something in the future once you learn some ---- and know what you want.

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ok, so I have NEVER tuned anything before. can you answer these ?'s I have honestly read a few things here of there on tuning, but have not found a how to so to speak (perhpas I am missing something?)

1. How hard is it to tune if you have a base map already?

2. Can I tune with just a laptop and the software?....

3. i guess my really stupid question is, do i need a cable of some sort?

4. I know I need a Wideband correct?

Hmmm, i have always wanted to tune my own ----, but i never really looked into it because I am deathly afraid of blowing my ---- up / ------- my ---- up lol....

If there is an easier method to tune myself, please let a nig nog know. Thanks inadvance you all!

C

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im guessing you havent seen the 600+whp accord on here running with chrome

chrome is the best option and its what almost every boosted car on this site runs.

1. tuning is easy once you get to know the program

2. yes

3. yes

4. yes


see, its like getting answers from the government. you just have to ask the right questions and you get simple answers

keep the air/fuel under 12.5 and you wont blow ---- up. unless you run too much boost. and dont really mess with timing unless you are on a dyno and have some sort of knock detection

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whne i was first cnsidering getting a chipped ecu i was kinda scared because of the fact that i didn't know much about it. but like you have learned with a little research and reading its realy not all that complicated. just get a chipped ecu and a good basemap and your car will run way better then it does on the hack (i know you already sold it). crome is the best choice for EM in my opinion because there are so many more tuners for it and the cost. my last car i think i paid 100 for a good street tune. and if you dont have the money to get it tuned right away just rock the basemap on a lower boost til then. you can normally find a similar setup liek yours and use that tune til you get tuned. i know every motor is different but it usually runs better then a basemap. even running a base it will be better then emanage untuned. good luck, try not to blow it. good to see a newb doing his research.

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Thanks everyone! I reads so much ---- on this it made my head spin lol, jeebus chrizzist......

See, this sites not so scary once you learn the ropes haha >:D

-C

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you just got a lucky random spoon feeding by these guys, usually they just ---- on you when you start talking about hacks and emanage. Good luck!

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my only reason for giving a real answer is cause you started to come around. if you would have kept on with your emang/hack bullshit you would have gotten flamed hard

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I would, get everything you need (hardware) to be able to tune yourself...and then, take it to a local reputable guy that is will to show you what he is doing, when he is doing it. Most guys will give you some tips and show you how to tune a little, if they know they are just showing you how to tune your own car...and not become a competing tuner to them in their area.

Then, from there out you can make changes to your car and learn as you go.

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yeah thats the best way to do it. never want to try and learn on somebody elses car lol

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Cant believe no one brought up hondata S300. Its right at the same level as ec tune but if you want to be a dealer you have to pay monthly for ec tune from what Dmc1 claimes. Dave Blundell highly recommends ec tune. He tuned my hondata and said there is really no difference between the two except user ability to adapt from the old school tech such as crome and he was in a law suit with hondata. Im still faithful to my hondata.

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Nobody brought up Hondata because this is HMT

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well, thank you for saving me from making a ------- huge mistake!

And also thank you fools for not flaming the ---- piss out of me too...lol.... O0

Should I post pics of my setup somewhere on here? ???

Its nothing special....

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Sir, I believe anything you do is "special"..... :S

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there you go with those dumb ??'s again....................of course

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This guy makes my head hurt.

Way to stick to your guns, Mr. Idon'twantachippedecu

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Word, sorry! I will post up when I get home today for you all.....in the right forum of course. O0

Well bro, then take a goodys or someshit. >:D Kidding, sorry again yo.


Dayum, you gots to be quick on your keyboard up in this mother fukka! :o