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dasfinc 07-10-2008 05:26 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 

Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
If the FPR is anything other than a large exit B series unit then it is not only a waste of money but a liability.

Fixing your exhaust leak changed the way your wideband reads, not the way your car runs.

My REAL O2 sits JUST infront of my wide-band.

OBD2 B18 header the stock O2 is just infront of the cat, my wideband is mounted in the front of my 'test pipe'

both would be affected.

FPR is a B+M unit.

Tom-Guy 07-10-2008 07:33 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 

Originally Posted by dasfinc
FPR is a B+M unit.

What ------- good is that? Most the time those don't work correctly, or you can't get your pressure low enough with a stock pump.

Large exit B-series FPR will handle Walbro 255HP, A1000, etc. I clown one of the shops I tune for about buying an Aeromotive regulator for their 800 whp car when they could have tapped their fuel rail and run a stock unit.


Scott-EP 07-10-2008 07:40 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
its funny that you say that. i have always thought you could make all the power you want with a stock fpr. i have no intentions of changing mine. i also have no intentions of changing the fuel rail.

dasfinc 07-10-2008 07:47 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 

Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
What ------- good is that? Most the time those don't work correctly, or you can't get your pressure low enough with a stock pump.

Large exit B-series FPR will handle Walbro 255HP, A1000, etc. I clown one of the shops I tune for about buying an Aeromotive regulator for their 800 whp car when they could have tapped their fuel rail and run a stock unit.


link me to what I should be buying, because I have no idea what you mean when you say "Large Exit"

Tom-Guy 07-10-2008 08:13 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 

Originally Posted by PhilStubbs
its funny that you say that. i have always thought you could make all the power you want with a stock fpr. i have no intentions of changing mine. i also have no intentions of changing the fuel rail.

Here, this thread is amusing because not only does it have tech, but it's a ------- circus of whining faggots.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2205493&page=1

Enjoy!

Scott-EP 07-10-2008 09:29 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
good ole H-T. always good for a laugh.

how many times have you been banned from there JD?

Tom-Guy 07-11-2008 12:16 AM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
Twice.

Once for stating, in the Accord forum, that ITR owners were techless toolbags and every post in the ITR forum should be deleted. The ITR forum mod banned me, Knighton let me back in after I told him three times in a row I had nothing to apologise for, and wouldn't apologise. HT was a different place then.

Once for calling zex_cool a scammer. That was a fucked up situation, some of the current mods are really sketchy, and it had to go through Knighton because I apparently caused a mod catfight behind the scenes.

dasfinc 07-12-2008 04:14 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
So, I pulled out my sparkplugs today to find AC Delco plugs gapped at .077....???????



They are getting replaced with a fresh set of NGK V-powers I bought gapped to .044, I suspect that might have been part of the lean problem......

Tom-Guy 07-12-2008 04:25 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
Bingo.

dasfinc 07-12-2008 05:49 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 

Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Bingo.

Sadly, fresh plugs and wires didn't help :( *Albeit the motor sounds a bit healthier*

B+M FPR is installed, but it started to rain, so the fuel pump will have to wait until tomorrow.

Scott-EP 07-12-2008 07:47 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
even if those plugs didnt fix your problem, they would have caused huge problems with boost.

dasfinc 07-12-2008 08:43 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 

Originally Posted by PhilStubbs
even if those plugs didnt fix your problem, they would have caused huge problems with boost.

Detonation city IIRC?

Got the Walbro in, Fixed it!

So I had a lean condition:

Replaced plugs, Wires, and installed an adjustable FPR, and still no-go.

Dropped in a walbro 255, Worked like a charm, fixed the lean condition in the higher RPM.

Sounds MEAN too *The fuel pump*

Scott-EP 07-12-2008 08:51 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
I have a walbro in my civic and I never hear it.

Now I wonder if the cx pump just doesn't flow enough or if it was dying.

What kind of afr's are you getting now? I have always wanted to put a wideband on a stock ecu car, but I have only had one on chipped ecu's

dasfinc 07-12-2008 09:12 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 

Originally Posted by PhilStubbs
I have a walbro in my civic and I never hear it.

Now I wonder if the cx pump just doesn't flow enough or if it was dying.

What kind of afr's are you getting now? I have always wanted to put a wideband on a stock ecu car, but I have only had one on chipped ecu's

No rear interior right now, car is going to the track next weekend, I'm sure if the carpet and seats were in the car I wouldn't notice it.

Someone else had told me the stock CX pump just doesn't flow enough (And I have a 92, so its the odd-ball/first year)

AFR's I'm getting consistent 13.8-14.2 under load (Including WOT) all the way to redline. in gear, no load, jumps to 16.0-16.8 typically.

*GRANTED, noone has showed me how to CALIBRATE my AEM UEGO because I tried reading the manual and it was WAY over my head, BUT I bought it used, so it was calibrated at one point for an Integra LS*

The main reason why I used the Wideband to help diagnose this issue, because accurate or not, I shouldn't have been 'pegging lean' at 5700RPM

Scott-EP 07-12-2008 10:13 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
those numbers are what I expected to hear.

Now that its fixed you have to boost it

Tom-Guy 07-12-2008 11:55 PM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
Stock CX pumps known good to 300 whp.

dasfinc 07-13-2008 12:37 AM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 

Originally Posted by PhilStubbs
those numbers are what I expected to hear.

Now that its fixed you have to boost it

I'm a little over half way there I'd say:
B18B1
Walbro 255
T3 Turbo Mani (should be arriving soon)
IC Piping and DSM BOV (Should also be arriving soon)
ChingChongMeow IC
ChingChongMeow T3 .48/60 (VERY soon *Brand new, but from a buddy who never used it, CHEAP*)
Resistor Box
tapped oil pan
oil pressure gauge
AEM UEGO Wideband

so that leaves:
DSM 450's
Oil feed/drain lines
selling my VAFC for a chipped ECU and a burner.
boost gauge
Assorted crap.

any donations/cheap stuff is appreciated!


Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Stock CX pumps known good to 300 whp.

Mine was good to about 70whp I'd say, Lol.

I dunno what to say? I guess it must have been going out?

Tom-Guy 07-13-2008 02:07 AM

Re: Running Lean, nearly stock, wtf.
 
That would be the answer.


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