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ZC4ME 07-30-2005 01:15 AM

Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
After seeing my buddies Ostrich and thinking a little, I was wondering if it is possible to remote mount the eeprom away from the ECU? Would there be any ill effects in basically making an extension cable that has one male end that would plug into the ZIF socket on the board and another ZIF socket on the other end to accept the chip? I would like to make the chip easily accessable to do quick changes when tuning, but I don't want my ecu laying on the friggen floor of the car all the time. Would there be too much on of a voltage loss over the length of the wire? Anybody ever tried this? I was thinking of either mounting it in the flip down coin tray or in the ashtray.

Racintweek 07-30-2005 05:38 AM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
there was someone selling Plexi ECU covers w/ a cutout over the socket. that way you could keep your ecu bolted down and still get at the chip. just leave your carpet pulled back while tuning

ZC4ME 07-30-2005 08:04 AM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
I'd still rather have it mounted elsewhere. It would also make a nice theft deterrent, not that I would actually remove the chip when I leave the car, I'm lazy :-\

Chris Harris 07-30-2005 08:38 AM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
Someone did it in a CRX on PGMFI a while ago...put it in his coin tray, so I imagine its possible.

projekteg 07-30-2005 09:33 AM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 

Originally Posted by xenocron
Someone did it in a CRX on PGMFI a while ago...put it in his coin tray, so I imagine its possible.

lol, i remember that car, the interior was ugly as ---- :-X

ZC4ME 07-30-2005 11:01 AM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
----, so the only way I can get it to work is to make my interior really ugly?? LOL J/K I know, most think it is a dumb idea, but I am sitting here (at work) messing with TE and EC and I want to try datalogging with EC on an NA car, so I am attempting to put together rom with the stock maps in NG60 code. I wanna be able to run out to the car at any point and be able to test a bin without having to rip ---- apart. I cannot stand the ghetto ecu laying on the damn floor with the cover off. Basically, I am trying to learn how to use this ---- during the "in between times" at work. I think haviing this mounted remotely would make it easier. My concern is signal loss over the lenght of the wires. I think I am gonna have to search pgmfi to see if I can find that thread Chris is talking about.

bumblezc 07-30-2005 01:16 PM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
Naw, It didn't make his interior ugly, he had it painted blue and white. I was going to do the same thing using the same type of cables that an Romulator uses. I just haven't gotten around to it.

Chris Harris 07-30-2005 04:18 PM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
You could do something fancy with a Radioshack board, and a few sockets and IDE cables.

I dont think you'll have any issues with voltage drops unless the wires are longer than 4' or more.

Chris Harris 07-30-2005 05:23 PM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
you could actually use on of these cables..

http://www.moates.net/product_info.p...products_id=65

maybe get Craig to add an extra socket so you can mount it to a Radio shack board or something of the type.

ZC4ME 07-30-2005 06:20 PM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 

Originally Posted by xenocron
you could actually use on of these cables..

http://www.moates.net/product_info.p...products_id=65

maybe get Craig to add an extra socket so you can mount it to a Radio shack board or something of the type.

That is pretty much what I was thinking of when I saw the ostrich that I ordered from you for my buddy. I seen the cable and was like...hmmmm, I just need a socket on the other end to put the chip in. I actually think about 4' might be about the appropriate length that I need. I wonder...."Can be less robust due to RF interference" if this will be a big problem. I think an email to the man is in order. Thanks Chris.

bumblezc 07-30-2005 10:16 PM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
This was my thought. Depending on were the Remote board ismounted you could have no extra lenght at all. I was even think of right inside the ECU

But the chip would be on the remote board. To program you would just connec tthe remote board to the Burner, erase and reprogram with the car off. Basically just save from pulling chips out all the time. just pull the cable out from the dash, or better yet, flush mount a connector in the dash hook up and burn. I was just unsure if reprogramming a chip while still hooked to the ECU could do anything. Of course the car would be off, but voltages are still be realyed pass the chip to the ecu.
http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/500802/7.JPG

Chris Harris 07-30-2005 10:33 PM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
Pretty sure that wouldnt work...just like you cant upload to a ROMulator/Ostrich with the car in the off position if its connected to the ECU.


Originally Posted by bumblezc
This was my thought. Depending on were the Remote board ismounted you could have no extra lenght at all. I was even think of right inside the ECU

But the chip would be on the remote board. To program you would just connec tthe remote board to the Burner, erase and reprogram with the car off. Basically just save from pulling chips out all the time. just pull the cable out from the dash, or better yet, flush mount a connector in the dash hook up and burn. I was just unsure if reprogramming a chip while still hooked to the ECU could do anything. Of course the car would be off, but voltages are still be realyed pass the chip to the ecu.
http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/500802/7.JPG


koreanwilcox 08-03-2005 10:44 AM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
I think this is a great idea.

I don't like having my ECU sitting on my floor and getting kicked all the time by passengers, but I have learned to live with it I guess.

It would be nice to mount the ZIF socket in the glove box or something so I can change the chips out without opening up the ECU. What would it take to mount a ZIF socket to the other end of one of those cables?

sohc_mshue 08-04-2005 06:38 PM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
Man this is a great idea. i would love to do this beacuse i hate always pulling that cover off and having my girlfriend complain because the ecu is in the floor.



Originally Posted by xenocron
Pretty sure that wouldnt work...just like you cant upload to a ROMulator/Ostrich with the car in the off position if its connected to the ECU.

have you seen the instructions on how to modify the ostrich so you can upload with the car off? Craig Moates posted them on his site now :)

bumblezc 08-04-2005 06:46 PM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
I might play around with it. If if I just remote munt it. I just got my PCB etching supplies back so I might try a nice clean setup if I can find the cables locally.

My fiance hate the ECU on the floor.

93turbo16 08-04-2005 08:30 PM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
You can do it without a problem. You just have to make sure that the cable is not too long. I have seen this done a few different places, I also think that 4' is too long of a run. I wouldn't run it more than 1'-2' I think the interference would be too much for it.

bumblezc 08-05-2005 09:50 AM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
I was just going to move to the side of the center console, the Passenger Kick panel, or to the glove box, just so the floor can stay where it is.

Chris Harris 08-05-2005 10:13 AM

Re: Remote mounting eeprom, can it be done?
 
http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php...t=remote+eprom

Here's is this thread...


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