Question about Uberdata Ostrich
 

I have a question, im just trying to understand how an ostrich works with uberdata. Does it take away from having to own multiple chips and a burner? It connects to the ecu, then has a box that stays in the car at all times. And then you just hook your lap top to the box in the car when you want to upload the new map, right? Thanks.

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exactly :)

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Uberdata doesn't let you do real time changes with Ostrich? You can only upload the ROM as a whole?

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yeah, it has real time update without uploading changes :D i was just letting him know he had the basic understanding of how the ostrich actually works.

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Is there any realtime ---- with Crome yet? Ostrich compatibility perhaps?

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crome's had ostrich support about as long as uberdata has, and rtp even longer ;)

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baller, maybe i should buy an ostrich....

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there's no maybe about it, ostrich is the greatest thing since sliced bread y0 :D if i didn't have to use mine to tune other peoples car's, i'd leave it in my car all the time and have the usb cable going to a stationary hub along with a data logging cable and have it mounted on the side of the center console or something and just have to plug right up to the hub to tune/data log without every pulling the ecu out again. i wish i could leave my equipment in my car, i guess i need to buy another one just for personal use :'(

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i cant tune while i drive, ill wreck.

i also just cant tune, so i think ill start there.

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have someone else drive, or in your case, you drive and have someone else tune ;)

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someone else drive my car? you mean like, another person? thats so never going to happen, lol.

but....

i can't learn the ways of the tooning in the drivers seat now can i?

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does anybody have a link that better explains ostrich? it sounds way to simple

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It is extremely simple...

As far as an explanation, what do you need?

All it really does is "pretend" its the chip in the ECU. The ECU knows no better.

When it makes changes, it waits until the ECU isnt looking at that spot when doing its calculations so nothing goes screwy.

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Ya, xenocron said it best... however, if you want a technical version, I can give you one.

The Ostrich plugs into the EEPROM socket on the ECU, and emulates the chip make up from rewriteable memory banks. I think it's got effectively 16 64K banks, 8 useable to Hondas without a daughterboard to switch the power output from the high bank and low bank. Basically like using a 512 chip to run dual programs. Anyway.. You can switch banks on the fly if your emulator application (TurboeDIT Crome Uberdata) supports it, meaning you can store multiple programs at a time and switch between them while the car is running, literally.

Ostrich waits until spare moments in the clock cycles and quick updates the bytes in inbetween those clock cycles. That is now the ECU never knows the code was changed. I've found in my tests with ROMulator and Ostrich, that ROMulator is sometimes too slow, and the ECU will catch it making changes and throw CELs. I've never had this happen with Ostrich. As a matter of fact, I've uploaded an ENTIRE ROM while the car running and it didn't ship a second. ...what's really fun (and dorky) to do is upload an entire ROM of 0x00 and watch your car drop to limp mode, then upload a good ROM and watch it come out of it... even better.. store the two ROMs in different memory banks, and swithc back and forth between them really fast. :)

But probably the most fun in real time programming is while you're tuning a guys car, and he's driving and you're at the computer.. change his rev limit while he's driving. Always good for a chuckle. :D

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so ther is no actual chip just the ostrich plugged into the ecu?
so when tuning you make changes to the .bin on the laptop and it will apply it to the ecu and when it is good you save the .bin and then burn the chip and put it in the ecu?

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sounds pretty cool

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Yeah, there is just a ribbon cable that goes to the socket the chip is normally in.

Yeah, that way you can do it all on the laptop instead of burning chips and swapping them constantly.

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I sooooo gotta try that when tuning next time. Get everything squared away and tell the guy to drive back and JUST before getting home change the rev limiter on him and go..OMG...somethings wrong and watch his face.


Oooh, evil >:D

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or while sitting at a red light change the speed limiter to like 7. >:D

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or advance the timing 10° at full boost while doing a wot pull >:D

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damn, thats bad ass.
and my wish list gets longer ;D

so i would need the ostrich, chip burner, and WB02 and would be set to start trying to tune?
maybe i'll pay attention when my car gets tuned

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I am pretty sure there shouldn't be any updates to code unless the car is turned off. You can only update the fuel and timing maps. Right out of Blakes mouth to me when he told me to test this junk, because I kept trying to set rev limits when I was testing the bastard and it kept giving me CELs. Basically to keep it safe, it should be used for fuel and timing only with the car running. I have had a few cars in the early stages that will throw a check engine if you upload any other changes, like vtec or rev limits.

And real time emmulation does work, but the stupid version is messed up. Can't wait until it works, it was cool driving around making changes right away. But only half the speed that is is capable of.

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Uh.. well, right out of Craig's mouth, who designed, programmed, hand makes, and distributes the hardware, it's fine.

Maybe you should get with Blake and tell him he might have a problem with his code if he's getting check engine lights whiel changing other things.

Having personally written (not using someone else's code as you are) two different applications for Ostrich, and tested them both on my EK, I feel I have sufficient knowledge of the Ostrich's capabilities when the interface application is designed to use them.

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I completley understand that, I am just stating this because uberdata is in the title, and it pertains directly to uberdata. He is working on it, or so we hope. Either way, uploading is just fine with me. I love ostrich. Now just to get the bastard to work with crome.

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Hrm, it works with Crome. ::Shrug::

A friend of mine is using it... however, he just told me that Crome doens't make "real time" updates. You make changes to the tables and have to hit an "Update Tables" button... I dunno, I haven't used it myself.

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I tried to use it a few times. Could be that uber uses the old firmware and crome uses the new firmware. But I don't mess with crome too much, just wanted to to tune an ITB car. But I did it the old school method ont he dyno.

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to make it simple.. have someone with you in the car make changes... OR.... do what i do... datalog and make changes when you're done making the run or able to stop and make the changes on the spot.

i datalog my runs at the drag strip. go back to the pits and make changes with my ostrich :D
another cool thing about ostrich.. u can unplug all ur cables cept the one going from ostrich to the ecu and run your car without all the laptop and other stuff..

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Noticed the same thing here. My Romulator could never do a full bin upload while running. On CROME/Osterich I do full bin loads while running regularly now.
Ive put about a solid 15hrs of tuning several cars this week on CROME/Osterich, and Im very happy with how glitch free its been. Once you get you port settings sorted out, it smooth sailing. Sure theres the occasional CROME lock up, but you learn what not to do while logging/emulating.

lol, guess that make me a geek too.