Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

Alright, i've been on the pgm-fi-crx site and it seeme like there is something available for obd1 car now. Can someone please, clarify the situation for me... is it only dataloggin or can I burn rom and use some sorta Hondata ghetto with obd1 ?

Thanks

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

There are a couple of free ROM editors in the works for OBD1, but nothing just yet. If you want to make custom programs immediately you'll have to use Excel ------sheets and a hex editor like the rest of us. It looks like a couple weeks is all that's needed to have some pretty good free OBD1 program editors out.

The stock ROMs with datalogging enabled are already available if you want to go ahead and get comfortable with burning chips and datalogging.

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

Joseph... what kind of USB adaptor do I need in order to connect it to my cn2 port?

Thanks

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how do you tune it? do u get live feed back from the engine? usually i tune stuff on a dyno for my rx-7 and check the wide band o2 sensor, to see if im lean or rich, but with ghetto dyne it seems like i can't do real time, just think what i need and then burn it into a chip and see if it works. if anyone got more info i would like to know too.

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

I got a question about this ghettodyne stuff too, where do you guys get these rom burners and blank roms? Also how much are you guys paying for these things? I've found some rom burners but they're going for something like 300. I'm basically looking for the cheapest way to go.

Also I came across another free gig similar to ghettodyne, but I don't remember what it was. Could you guys post the free programs for this that you know of?

Thanks.

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

In my 90 crx si (PM6) I put in a ZIF socket can get from here: www.digikey.com part # A347-ND

the chips...
http://store.yahoo.com/americanmicro...c256-25dc.html

Burner (what hondata uses)
http://www.xtronics.com/memory/EPROM.htm

Once ghettodyne is finished you will be set.
I've currently got a georgehackpm6.bin file that is suppose to allow me to run 450cc injectors and basically be my fuel management for my REX. It's for only in the mean time until ghettodyne is complete and ready. For ignition I was using a MSD BTM to retard my timing.... it was just temp purposes so I could at least run my car... works great.

but..... I don't have my burner yet, so I can't burn that binary file so I have no fuel management yet.

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

USB to serial, and then you have to make/buy a MAX233 adapter cable to convert from TTL (at the CN2 port) to serial (where you plug into your USB adapter. Nick should have all this stuff covered on his site, www.ecucontrol.com

I use a wideband and AFC on the fly, because I have that crap laying around. I go back and infer changes in fuel maps based on AFC settings and what I remember WBO2 readings to be at certain rpms.

Check the ECU Control site above - it's free datalogging software for Honda ECUs and you should be able to use it's recordings to figure out what/where needs adjustment, even if it doesn't support WB)2 datalogging.

Yeah, what Hondata uses. I've got a Hondata 4b sitting on my floor right now, lent to me by Trickturn (owner of carolinahondas.com) for "oh, six months or so, I don't really care" in exchange for fixing the three broken Xtronics Pocket Pussies he kept buying to use it. He plans to eBay rape someone for all of it when he's undisgusted enough to pick it back up.

For much less than the price of a Pocket ----- you can get the Batronix Eprommer 3.x kit which is very easy to use, and does not break. 75% of the PGMFI Forum people use them.

Your going to lose a lot of power with that BTM, because the "Georgehack" is based on my PM6 1.0 retard MAPhack .bin, which as the name implies is 1.0 degrees per psi ignition retard. The fuel maps are also stock, so I expect them to be a hair lean under boost. If you already have a chip burner you should be able to use Ghettodyne 1.0x to edit them (although the pressure columns are no longer correct) or if the map locations are fiddled due to George's modifications you can use a hex editor and Excel worksheets like the OBD1 guys do.

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

not all obd1 peeps use excell and hex editors :p

Some obd1 guys have REAL boost code, some some low-resolution digita hack :p

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

the 91PM6GeorgeHack.BIN file will work with 450cc injectors correct? I didn't know there was retard code in that file.. I thought it was fuel only.

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

That file is basiclly the afc hack, it digitally cuts the map voltage. And it coems with all ther bad side effects of the hack except overadvanced timing.

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:'(

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George's MAP cut is a bit leaner than the "usual" AFC settings, so you'll have to tweak the maps a bit to run really well with 450's, but I wouldn't hesitate to run the car NA like that while I got a feel for tuning via Ghettodyne.

MR_DR_PEP, you're in New Bern... you need to cruise up to Asheville on April 19th for the carolinahondas.com meet... on the 20th we crash Deals Gap - there will be a bunch of S2000 and MR2's there that day. If the weather is bad, the Asheville meet is still on, but Deals Gap is off. You'll get to meet some pretty cool and smart people with some really trick rides, you'll also get to meet a lot of ricers, but they are the good ricers who mean no harm.

I'll show you my clusterfucked work space piled high with broken electronics crap, my 27 ECUs, chip burner, and give you a hands on demo of any number of things. I'll lay a burned CD in your hands filled with all the goodies I normally use neatly laid out in categorized directories with a small text file in each to give you a primer on what each does. None of this is that hard, it's just it's a lot of new stuff to choke down all at once. You just need someone to show you the ropes just like somebody helped you get into automechanics at one point.

UberTeg is a little cranky because he's afraid to come out of the closet, don't pay him any attention.

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

is there anyway to change the vtec points then? like if you are using a P28???

or is there anyway to add vtec to pm6, like if you are running a d16z6 in a crx.

Thanks

PauL

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

actually on the pgmfi site they are working
on hacking the hf ecu... to use the shift
light activation point as a vtec crossover.

much like zdyne does...

there is no way to add vtec to a pm6 yet
but hopefully in a few months, you will
be able to soder on a few parts, and
put in a new rom, and there you go...

im not exactly sure how far the obd1 team
is coming along, as i seldom look in on them
because im obd0 for life...
(exception = honda insight for a family car.)

Re:Please TEACH me ghettodyne + ecucontrol
 

So this will do the trick, "Batronix EEprom Programmer 3.3:"
Will it work with for ghettodyne? I'm really not too familiar with this? How does it work, do i create a bin file in Ghettodyne, which assigns all the values to the hex location, then just open the bin file in the Chip writer software and burn it?

http://www.batronix.com/electronic/e-shop.shtml

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Smokey, you got it. The Batronix software is just a burner app, like Nero/CDRWin/Fireburner/Roxio/etc used for burning CDs.

I guess if they have me pimping in this place, I should do a write-up on Ghettodyne and Batronix's Prog-Studio, complete with screenshots. It really is pretty simple, it's a lot harder to desolder the chip in your ECU.

atomik, most of the OBD1 Civic/Integra stuff can be tweaked - they use three different motherboard platforms (four if you count the wierd 1560 VX board) all of which can be upgraded on the hardware level to and from manual, auto, VTEC, knock, etc. Only IABs are supported by the P72/75.

Most of the code can be tweaked for VTEC, revlimit, fuel/spark, but up until recently you did it all in a hex editor... Uberego (RIP) came up with a nifty program to do the editing for you, and released the naturally aspirated version to the general public.