Need help form a tuner that can make me a simple .bin
 

Hi, I just built an LS/Vtec (B18B/B16A) and dont have the money for a P28 or dyno time.
Could someone please make me a bin for my OBD1 pr4 ecu that has both low and high cam maps onto one map crossing over at 5300rpm and limiting at stock B16 rev limit (8300?). This can be from a stock B18C1 map or whatever works and just isnt lean. Ill just use a msd activated swith to turn on vtec.

This is just until I get a chipped P28 and some tuning (and some ctr pistons ;) )

Thanks in advance

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Why dont you make one yourself?

www.uberdata.info

Knowlegde is power ;)

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I downloaded uberdata 1.66 and 1.7 but i dont think all stock bins are correct. I didnt want a straight up b18c1 tune but more like a LS/vtec tune if someone had it or could make it.

Some Q?:
Can I copy and paste as I wish between .bins?? Can I grab the stock LS bin and paste from a B18C1s .bin the low cam fuel and timing until 5300 and then the high cam fuel and timing unto my rev limit?? will this cause any trouble?? Ill try to make it but could you please check it for me so dont blow my engine up.

TIA

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Werd x 10.

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OK, I tried it with uberdata 1.7 (beta I think) and it was fairly simple, the 2d graph from my low cam fuel on the p75.bin looks a lot like the b18c1's low and high fuel pasted together at 5000RPM (with lower resolution).

Now my problem is, I can set my fuel cut anywhere I like but the readings on the scale cant go higher that 8000rpm (just on the low cam but its all I got). How can I make it go a bit higher so I can adjust fuel and timing up there, if its imposible where should I set my revlimit? (currently at 8100)

thanks for making me learn a bit.

where can i upload the bin so someone can check it please.

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Sorry to say, no one is going to be able to check your BIN and let you know if its ok.

As far as increasing the RPMs so you can rev higher, look under the Rev Limits tabe and see you can set the rpms levels for low and high cam. Adjust those to your needs.

And again, a lot of this is covered on the UD forums. Def read up over there and if you have specific questions about UD they can probably help you faster and provide you more accurate info than us hacks over here most days :)

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I was reading the pgmfi forum and it seems that if you have crome pro you can burn a p72 bin on an ls ecu jut by disabling IAB,vtec selenoid check, oil pressure check and I think vtec coolant temp check also. It will still change maps and everything you just need an external way of activating the selenoid at the specified rpm (msd switch). Could someone please do this for me?? thanks

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"God helps those who help themselves...and thats our motto here."

Sorry dude, you are being polite and all but this is a DIY type of place, we can help you understand but we certainly wont do the work for you. :-\

You are on the right track with the places you are reading...keep up with that and you will be much happier with the end result.

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See, Chris is a polite classy guy. Nice response. Most people would be like, Hey ------- start reading and researching, all of us had to!

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you can burn p72 maps with uberdata also ;)

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Ok here is the thing, in uberdata the rpm levels for low cam cant go higher than 8000 even if the rev limiter is set higher than that, so I cant make a map for 8000+
I also cant disable the check for vtec selenoid and vtec oil pressure (its doesnt have the feature but crome pro does), I dont have money to buy crome pro if I did I would have a vtec ecu. I need those options disabled so that no check engine comes on and the maps still change over at the vtec set point.

All I want is a stock p72bin with these options disabled (including vtec water temp and speed check I guess) its fairly simple IF i had crome pro.

thanks anyways

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You really can do that all in UD too :-\

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yeah dude, all of that can be done in uber also. hell, all of what you're trying to do can be done in crome 'free', you don't need to purchase a license to be able to de select senors. the only thing you get with the license is data logging, auto tune, dyno tools and all the other 'extra' features, but you can still do the basic stuff with the free version of crome, or uber.

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you do need the license of crome pro to deselect vtec selenoid check and vtec oil pressure check thats why i cant do it and ud doesnt have that option

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dude, no, you don't! you can't deselect vtec pressure switch on crome at all that i'm aware of, but you can disable vtec speed check, vtec coolant temp check, and vtec itself all in the free version of crome, i promise ;)

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on crome pro you can deselect vtec selenoid check, well atleast thats what ive read on pgmfi.org from the crome creator himself.

I have made the hybrid bin and looks fine but id prefer to really have the vtec maps cause they have much more resolution and will result in a better base tune.

How would a stock b18c1 map work on a stock lsvtec? too rich? too lean?? any tips?' thanks in advance

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you can disable the vtec solenoid in crome free, i use it all the time, trust me ;) i don't really understand what you're trying to do. you say you have a vtec motor, but want to disable the vtec solenoid, if you do that, you won't have vtec at all. as far as using a gsr/p72 stock map, yes, that is your best starting point. there is not going to be a perfect basemap for lsvtec, you have to tune one for your own car. i do suggest starting with the p72 map, that is what i start with for lsvtec's since essentially, that's what the motor is, 1.8 vtec ;) oh, hi and lo maps have the same resolution, i think you're a little confused as to what you're looking for here.

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the thing is you forgot I have an LS ecu.

I read a P30 map with 20% more fuel is also good, and since my cams and head is Pr3 should I go wit that or the P72 basemap.

thanks a ot

PD: where do I disable the vtec selenoid in crome free (not the vte speed check or coolant check)

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dude, it makes no difference if you have an ls ecu, the ecu will not engage vtec therefore there is no need to switch to high fuel maps. the vtec solenoid disable is right above the speed limiter under 'options' in crome.

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I've only glanced over this thread, because it seems like the guy who needs the lpe is being hard headed... why are we not using P75 code? ...and modifying the RPM Multipliers? I'm sure UD can do that, if not, someone needs to jump in Blake's ass.

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projecteg: both p75 and p72 boards are the same except for the vtec and knock sensor parts (wich can all be installed into the P75 board but I dont know how and dont have where to buy them), so, you can burn a P72 map on a P75 ecu and not get cels and still crossover to high cam maps IF you disable vtec selenoid CHECK and knock sensor. All you would need is to engage vtec (the selenoid itself) by the means of an MSD RPM activated switch, VAFC etc. At least thats what ive read

TurvoEF9: on low cam (all thats available on the P75 bins) you cant make the highest rpm on the table more than 8000rpm and on crome you cant even change these values.

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OK.. after looking into this ROM you're right. 8000 is the highest you can go based on the low cam formula for that.

Offset 0x7C7B is your row 20 RPM scalar int he P75 code, 0xF8 is 7500, 0xFF is 7938, 0x00 is 8000.. ..so ya, 8000 is the top. Sorry.

I actually wnet back and read this thread... ..and my conclusion is you're being hardeded _and_ cheap.

The cost of the P75 to P72 components is less than $15 shipped if you don't buy in bulk. You spent the money to build the motor, spend the money to take care of it... for real.

Crome free won't disable the "VTEC Solenoid Check", it will disable VTEC all together. I don't have a copy of Crome commercial, so... I couldn't tell you if it's got it or not.

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trust me, i'm well aware of the differences between a p75 and p72, you also forgot about the iab's though ;) if you're interested in converting your p75 to a p72, i can sell you a complete kit with everything to add iab's and vtec, then you could activate vtec the correct way and not have to worry about an rpm activated vtec device, which is what it sounds like your plans are. anyways, i don't see what all of the confusion is, just burn a p72 map for a basemap and disable vtec so you don't get a cel, i don't see what else you're looking to do. a p72 map will be your best starting point for an lsvtec, trust me, i speak from experience. you have to tune no matter what, so that is your best starting point, then end. there is no way to disable 'vtec solenoid check', that would be disabling vtec all together which totally defeats the purpose of p72 and p30 roms.

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He's looking to have the ECU activate VTEC *MAPS*.. without throwing a code for not having the circuit for the VTEC solenoid. Very half assed.

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I live in venezuela, I cant buy the components here nor know anybody who is confident enough to not ---- up my ecu converting it. Buying them from the states is difficult as my government has regulation over money exchange (I cant use my credit cards in the usa). Thats why im doing this.

TurboEF9 is right, I want to activate vtec MAPS and just use an external vtec controller which might sound half assed but will work exactly the same as it being activated through the ecu. I was told in the pgmfi forum that in crome pro you could disable the vtec selenoid check and still get the jump to vtec MAPS at the desired point.

I dont have IABS (B16 head) so I would just disable them ( how?? seting the activation point higher thatn the rev limit??)

TIA

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Send a Money Order...

I certainly have no problems shipping to Venezula and I'm sure Kevin wouldnt either.

All you have to do is label the package "Warranty Repair Parts" and no one thinks otherwise.

...anything to help out.

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I'll poke around and see if I can find VTEC solenoid check..

If I find it, I'll post the information on how to disable it... I'm not one to horde code.

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how much do these chipping kits and vtec kits go for??

Do you guys sell cheap programmers??

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Sent you a PM.