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Ok, so I am on the fence on tuning my own ---- , or getting it tuned. I have only 2 options imho here in jax for tuning, Mr Phil Stubbs said he would help a noglet out, also SpeedFab in OP CAN tune, and has tuned many a hondas as far as i Know.

That said, I am toying w the idea of tuning my own ----. I have read ALOT of crap....Phearables stuff, the how to on Moates...---- it all melts together after a while, this is why I took such a long break between High School and College...---- ---- ----... :S

Im gathering the following, and basically need a confirmation on the info for accuracy foolios...I know I need a chipped ecu, laptop and crome lol.... :y

If I am chipped p28 on crome....to tune this I would need the followng (bare min!)

-Ostrich 2.0
-Wideband o2

To DATALOG (not needed for tuning, that is what I gather) I would need

-HuLog
-Data log cable deal from Moates or Xenocron
-Crome PRO.....


Damn, I hope i did not forget anything that is crucial. If i did, that is cause I am trying to type all fast at fuggin work....

Thanks all....

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You don't "need" an Ostrich running Crome. You can buy a chip burner and chips... but you have to re-burn a chip every time you make changes. Gets to be a bit of a headache.

I run a HuLog, but it's just a nice package deal. You can get the Xenocron USB data logging kit, you don't need both. One or the other.

Just get this -

http://www.-------------/catalog/diye...age-p-238.html

Wideband, Datalogging, ostrich. Done. Pick your tuning program, throw in a gauge if you want (I have the Innovate gauge) and have Phil help you tune.

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Ahh, nice link, sad thing is i was looking around his site like "I KNOW I ------- saw that ----...."

Again, I am at work, supposed to be working, but its ------- monday.

Thanks for the reply dude! So, I can get that kit from Xeno, and without the datalogging part, I can tune based off the a/f guage I buy then and I am golden right?

I can just add Datalogging later is what I am understanding, as it is not vital to, but very helpful in tuning correct?

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Go to www.------------- and take some time to look around at all his goodies. Very reputable and has been around forever. You can get whatever package you want and get something later or get it all and get a slightly better deal. With shipping you might as well get it all the first time around and not have to go back.

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wait, one more thing. Can you clarify what exactly the Ostrich does, maybe that would help me understand the process more.

I know its an emulator right? So what, it emulates a burned chip? Does that mean I leave it hooked up 24-7 until I get a new chip burned?

Maybe im TOTALLY missing that part. :l

----, tuning cant be this hard, its almost like for me, understanding what items are required to tune your car is almost more difficult than tuning itself lol. :3

I really want to learn how to do this, I know I am capable of it. Just need some direction pointing, thats all. O0

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The ostrich is having the ability to upload maps on the fly. It says plugged in 24/7. With a chip, you have to take it out of the ecu, throw it in the burner, take it out, put it back in the ecu, run it, do your thing and redo the steps until you have a decent tune. The ostrich just makes everything easier for you.

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Oh not mentioning the other cool ---- you can do with it.

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I have tuned a couple setups before I had my Ostrich and they worked perfectly, but it was time consuming and a general pain to keep burning chips. Once you go Ostrich you'll never go back.

I'd recommend a chip burner too unless you want to keep the Ostrich in your car all the time. I don't keep my wideband or Ostrich in my car when I'm not tuning though, just personal preference.

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You can also tune with the ostrich and when you are done you can have them pull the map off and burn it on a chip so you no longer need it after tuning. Then you can just turn around and sell it if it no longer fits your needs at the time. Don't over analyze what I said.

Ostrich = Easier Tuning
Burn 1 = Pulling chips out to burn and reburn till your happy
Willam Burner = Super cheap but a bitch to work with.

I have had a ostrich and still have a Willam that I can sell you for $30 bucks but I might as well include a rope with it. My buddy has a burn 1 and it works just like it should. Burn1 or Ostrich now stfu.

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ok I get the ostrich thing now...i can see how that is very effective when tuning FA SHO.... :y

So, theorhetically....i could get an ostrich & wideband, and tune my a/f w that. I assume the program handles timing and such for me? Or do I need to mess with that too?

Sorry I have read and read (though I did find this, http://www.-------------/catalog/solutions.php ,which answered my ostrich ?...thanks imburne!) and this ---- is hard, there are alot of sources of information out there,and sometimes its hard to decipher what applies and what does not.

I shall STFU for now, but I am sure I will have more ??s pretty soon. The day is coming when I will need to know all of this and be decent at it.....

Who knows, maybe I will go ------- super cheap and just get a wideband w guage, and a chip burner from Xeno for 80 bux....does that spell dissaster for a noob tuner? I would think the less options for me to fawk w the better, right?

Thanks again for all the replies.

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There are plenty of resources here for basemaps to get you on your way. you basically just need to read more but you are on the right track. get a wideband + burner or ostrich and a datalogging cable . Crome can mess with timing values when you need em, and anything else you need. Its what everyone uses typically. At least on this site. All this stuff we are telling you is proven.

Research is the key. Good luck :)

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thanks bro.

Im going to purchase this

http://www.-------------/catalog/omet...mbo-p-239.html

I am already getting a crome chipped ECU with a base map, so I think Tuning will be pretty straight forward adjustments of a/f.

I am going to read more.

FINAL Question.....then i promise to STFU.....swear!

Is datalogging abosolutely essential to tuning a car? Or is this something that can be added later? I mean, can I tune that ---- with out data logging? Is it something like the emulator, where it just makes it easier?

Tahnks to all who replied.

Xeno, you have an order coming soon buddy. I have to compile my list, and hopefully im ordering enough to get a small discount! (yes, I know he probably has not / will not read this thread.....lol)

C

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It is impossible to effectively tune a car without datalogging, that is key. The best way on a Honda is to feed your wideband signal into the ECU, and datalog through the ECU. Some widebands can also datalog their own signal, like the LM-1. I've never used an LC-1 so I can't say if it can datalog by itself. Even though my LM-1 can datalog by itself, I feed it through to the ECU and datalog that because I have every other parameter being logged at the same time. So instead of just having a log of AFR, I can log AFR vs. RPM, ect, iat, etc. Most rom editors for Honda datalog the exact cell that your car is reading from at the time which makes things even easier.

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Ahhh, and the picture muh-------- completes itself! ^-^

I see now what I have to do. Whiiiiich is pretty much what I was told on the first post(----!), but im going chip burner, not emulator for now. $$ ::)

Side note, i love this board,it has endless knowledge and I can drop F bombs like nobodies business lol. >:D

So, New plan.

-Get Aforementioned wideband (LC-1 w OMeter)
-Get Datalogging cable
-Purchase crome pro.

IM not going to sit here and lie, my plan has officially become a tad more expensive with knowing im now going this route. I think im getting the wideband first, then will install that with my base map and see how i am sitting for a/f.

Its not my DD, so its not really necessary for me to tune immediately, but I am really really wanting to start leaerning badly and within the next month tops. I will then get Crome Pro and a datalogging cable and boost my sis in laws laptop haha so I can attempt to tune my ish.

Thanks for the help fellas, wait for the "Ok, got my ---- now im about to tune" thread :y

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stop thinking and read this thread like ten more times. then go outside and let it soak in.

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Make sure you purchase Crome through Xenocron and not the official website. John Cui has been known for being extremely lacking if you ever need a new reg code.

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imburne - trust me , I will. And I will blaze a nice one while I do it. Then repeat. :6

jago - Good looking out man, I had heard that before and will definately get it through Xeno.

The only reason im not gettng my ECU through Xeno, is Phearable offeres the CEL shift light (RICE! Sorry...it is, but I want it) and the 2 step launch. I did not see that on Xeno's site as options?

EDIT I now see the launch on Xeno site.

Thanks again guys, this ------- site pwns all.

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Yeah I still need another one. I need to reformat my laptop or maybe even be getting a new one.

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That must have been over the last few months. When I got my replacement it only took a few days ;)

Phearable is nothing compared to Xenocron. That CEL shift light/launch is all the software. Support HMT.

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true, well i will prob go through him as I also need Arps, a Walbro and that LC1 w O Meter.....

I hope he hooks up a deal!

I will have the l00t this weekend. O0

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Since it was brought up, anyone have any experiance with the datalogging features with a AEM UEGO Wideband like i own?

i saw in the manual that it supports it, not much past that though.

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i read the first couple posts and then got way too lazy to read the whole thing.

i can help you if you want to do it yourself. im not in the tuning business so i dont mind just giving you a hand. i have everything you need to tune so i can donate some usage if you need it. if you plan to always evolve your setup then you will need your own stuff, but if you need a onetime tune then we can just use my stuff to get you a good street tune and then you can go to the dyno after that.

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true man, thats whats up brother!

Im prob still going to scoop some of the stuff, cause I want to mess around with it as well :)

But I will def take u up on that offer pretty soon that is fa sho! O0

Corey

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right now probably isnt too bad of a time for me cause my civic is completely stripped from the firewall forward so its not going anywhere anytime soon.(build thread in the works)

my only problem is time. i dont have a ton of it to spare, but PM or something and we can work something out