HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

i have a d15b2 in my eg hatch and im putting together a junkyard turbo using a 14b and i plan to run 8psi..

now ive been folowing uberdats for like a week now, and is creating a basemap really as easy as it seems???

all i do is open the stock ls bin, and upload the p06 bin into it??

then just go through it and type int hings like my ignition retartd and such... its that easy???

is it really a reliable enough base map to go out and drive your???

and the two other questions i have is:
1: i read something about when using larger injectors to read something that was important, but the link to it didnt work.... do i have to do anything special to the maps??? at one point i thought i read that when putting in 440cc's to add 5% all the way around the map??? but i thought when u went into the misc and changed your injector size it would have figured everytghing out automaticaly for you ...... what do i need to do when using 440's???

2: what is the boost fuel eff??? i read in the faq's to set it high and then tune it down. how do you tune it down??? i dont understand this, im not a tuning buff and all i really understand right now is that i would install a basemap, and then use a wideband on the street to add/subtract fuel from the low fuel table....

can you guys help me out a bit and clear up my mind about how thing work so im not so afraid to use this program cause i dont want to go with a hack .. lol

ok .. thanks all!!! t his site ownz me

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

making a basemap is fairly easy, it's the chipping and tuning that people seem to have a hard time with. yes, you can run your car with a basemap. yes, you need larger injectors, the all you do is update your injector size in the basemap and it updates the maps automatically. boost eff. is how much fuel it adds under boost. 120 -115 is a good starting point for your engine. 60 for the main and tps fuel modifiers is a good point to start also, not the suggested 53.

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There is a FAQ at www.ecimulti.org/uberdata that will walk you through making a basemap. Post it on their forums to make sure its legit before running it on your car. You can also download basemaps, like CSAddict's and put some more timing retard in and it will run your car well. How did a D15b2 get into your EG??? Why not just put a B7 in at least. What intake manifold is on that? Yes, Uberdata is as easy as it looks.

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i have read all the faq's .

lol, and my bad .. its a b7.... ive messed with the b7 and b2 so much i always get them mixed up .... it used to have a b16 in it, but some people think they can take things that dont belong to them >:(

my friend makes circuit boards so he will be doing the chipping for me ..

why do u say its hard to tune??

and with the eff thing, do i scale that down when tunning with a wideband instead of scaling down the fuel on the actual fuel graph??? this part comfuses me a good deal

i will be running 440 dsm's

all and all said, would you guys go ahead and say that a uberdata basemap for boost is still way better than a hack???

keep the info coming guys!!!! thanks!

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set it at 120 or so, then data log and see your a/f readings, if they're too rich, take the eff. down a little and do it again, get your afr's as close to perfect this way (simple), then start fine tuning the maps by the actual rows and colums.

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ok, i think i get it , its like a mass scale across the boost portion of the fuel scale, and i lower the number to the point where at any given rpm range if the A/F ratio becomes propper, while other areas still need to be leaned out, that is the point where i would stop lowering that number, and then turn to my maps rows and colums correct???

also whats up with the data logging??? it looks kinda weird having the rpm read out on the vertical line instead of the horizontal line......

is it hard to read it like this???

how is the horizontal line measured??? maybbe the horizontal like is time???? and u actualy have to check your rmp line against your A/F line to know where you are????

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

sounds like you have a fairly good understanding of it, just mess with it some and you'll see it's not that tough. you can only understand so much until you actually get some hands on time tuning a car. good luck.

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i didnt know this yesterday when i started messin with uber.

I loaded the program up... then loaded the p28.bin because thats the one i wanted to use... right... WRONG.

uber has to start with an Integra map.. p72 or pr4 (vtec/non vtec).

then you "import" the p28.bin (which carries only fuel/ign maps over).

just thought id mention that.

then go to fuel eff type 120 click apply
go to ign retard type 1.0 click apply.. done ;)

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yeah, the ls and gsr are the actual 'boost' codes, you have to import the stock rom over the boost map. 1.0* retard :o holy ---- son. i usually .75 at the most for 9 - 12 psi, no retard from 0-3 psi

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haha .. yeah, i figured that out awhile back, but dont you think a 1.0 timing retart is a little much????

i thought that as long as you were under around 30 degrees of timing up top that your pretty much in the clear... was i wrong???

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

thats just what the FAQ says to do..

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ok, i get it ... now when im scaling down the actual map in rows and colums, say i want to lean it out a bit around 6500rmps.... now at this point i will obviously be at full boost (8psi)

so would i pull fuel only from the colum for 8psi???? or would i pull if all the way across the boost portion of 6500rmps???

these are just a few things that i dont really understand being that im just starting to understand tuning a bit, well i understand tunning, just never gone and done it for myself..

also whats up with this closed loop, open loop thing i keep hearing about datalogging???

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

no, that would be advacning timing und-er boost. for about 10 -12 psi, you want to be around 18-20° in the high rpms.

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

closed loop is when the ecu is making a/f corrections (at part throttle) based on the o2 sensor readings, when you go past part throttle, the ecu is forced in to open loop where it starts going off of the programmed rom. have you ever watched an a/f gauge? see how it bounces back and forth when you're cruising? b/c the ecu is constantly making corrections. notice when you floor it, it stays steady? that's b/c the ecu is no longer making the corrections to it, it's running off a set map. it's just easier to tune in open loop b/c the ecu isn't making corrections making your numbers jump all around.

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even pulling a pull degree per psi on the uber chart the timing doesnt get that low, and of course the morse boost your running the more timing u want to pull...

im gonna run 8 pounds, and i hear that pulling a full degree was a littel comservative... i was gonna try .75 but it looks like at 6500 rmps that the timing would be 28.64 ... u think that is to agressive???

also, whats up with these charts, the higher i get in the rmps it seems the biger the gap in the rmp reance ... the colum goes:
5189
5626
6500
7940

is it me or are those really big gaps for tunning???

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

stock timing is about 26° at redline, you telling me you're going to add to that? i think you're doing something wrong :-\

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ok, your right... am i then correct in saying that when the map sensor senses boost it advances the timing???

what static timing is everyone runing their dizzy's at???

and at what point would u end up with to little timing??? i hear if u pull it too much it will really spick up you egt's...

and let me just take the time now to say thanks for all this help.... i really do apreciate it ...

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

oh, and those intervals dont seem too big for you??? does the program autmaticaly set the fuel and whatnot between the two rmp levels depending on what they are set at??

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set the dizzy to stock timing. gererally when doing timiing maps, i don't do a linear retard like set up in the program. i set the ign. retard to '0', then go in and manually set the maps. 0-3 psi gets no retard, 3-6 psi gets .25° per psi, 6-9 psi get's .50° per psi, and so on. this is called a step retard and makes for a much smoother transition in to boost and doesn't rob power where it's not neccessary. have you been to the uberdata forum? a lot more info. there http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/forum/

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very cool, i dont think ill set my own maps myself just yet, ill setup everything with the set up in euberdata, and maybe after my car is up and running good, during the tunning process i will start to play with thouse things a little bit more when i am really feeling more comforatable in the program ..

yes, ive been to the uberdata forum, i just havent registered, so i guess i gotta get on that lol

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

Myself and Toolowsol are currently working on a step retard script for Uberdata. It will hopefully be completed for the next release :) The step retard system will allow more utilization of the ignition system by allowing different increments of retard per level of boost. For example, 0-3, 3-5, 5-7, 7-11, 11-15. Each would have different levels of retard. In contrast, the current retard function takes one value and multiplies it for everytime another pound of boost is added.

Just drop by the forum and ask your questions. You will get your answers there. www.ecimulti.org/uberdata

Andrew

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

Very good thread :) You all have answered alot of my questions through 92's questions!

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great work guys! i manually do step retards anyways, linear retards rob so much power down low, your work will make it a lot easier. i downloaded the script and put it in a 1.7 version, it looks pretty good. i have funny lines around the map settings under boost tab though???

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

we will have to get this sorted out. I'll mention it to toolow.

Andrew

UBERDATA OWNZ YOU! UBERDATA OWNZ YOU!

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

I have a quick question. I asked on the pgmfi.org board but never really got answered fully.

When I do make a base map to make the car run, do I want to disable the closed loop process? Will this affect my gas milage a whole lot?

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

disable closed loop and o2 heater for tuning with a wideband, leave them enabled any other time. yes, you will get shitty gas mileage if you disable it.

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Well here is the thing. I wont be able to get to a dyno for a few days/week. I can probally get ahold of a wideband from a friend but not guarantted days after the install. Thats why I need to know to run disabled or enabled. :-\

Re:HELP! is uberdata really as easy as it seems????
 

like i just said, always have it enabled, the only time you disable is when you are actually tuning (unless you want shitty gas mileage, then leave it disabled all the time if you want). generally people tune in open loop, then once they have their tune where they want it, they enable closed loop again.

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I've been running disabled for about a month now, and I'm getting about 22mpg when I'm not hard on her.

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Ok cool I misread your first post.