hack or uberdata?
03-10-2005, 07:09 PM
#11
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Re: hack or uberdata?
What if the guy lived in Denver or something and was tuned for that altitude. I'm stuck between Uberdata and SAFC 
If I don't have alot of cash to keep dropping down to tune my car on dyno, which one is better? I guess this is turning into a "which is better" post...
If I don't have alot of cash to keep dropping down to tune my car on dyno, which one is better? I guess this is turning into a "which is better" post...
03-10-2005, 08:00 PM
#12
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Re: hack or uberdata?
honestly, i would think the same thing all the time. i know you want to save money but you always dont have access to tuning an ecu on a dyno and getting all super technical with widebands, chip burners, adjusting fuel maps....! its kinda mind boggling at first if you dont have someone to actually explain the process. i ran the AFC hack for a while and had no problems. its a good thing to do if you want to be quickly running on somewhat decent management. ofcourse you cant beat the features and the great power increases you can get with TE/Uberdata. i actually switched to a chipped ecu with a basemap for my setup and i could definatly feel more power on the "butt" dyno. things only get better from here 
oh yeah, you said your obd2 96 civic, right? if thats the case you cant even run Uberdata yet until you convert to obd1 if so run the hack, you'll be fine!
oh yeah, you said your obd2 96 civic, right? if thats the case you cant even run Uberdata yet until you convert to obd1
if so run the hack, you'll be fine!
03-10-2005, 08:16 PM
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Re: hack or uberdata?
Ok, I think I'll run AFC hack and some DSM's and that should do fine till I learn more/have more time to tune uberdata on a dyno 
one more thing, I heard someone talking about a msd btm or something that retards timing cause the afc advances timing. is this the only device able to retard timing to be safe or is the advance not enough to really do much?
one more thing, I heard someone talking about a msd btm or something that retards timing cause the afc advances timing. is this the only device able to retard timing to be safe or is the advance not enough to really do much?
03-10-2005, 08:31 PM
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Re: hack or uberdata?
::shoots himself in the face::
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03-10-2005, 08:33 PM
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Re: hack or uberdata?
well, i never used the msd btm as well as many other people. but some people have. the btm retards timing as boost comes on. the advance in timing creating by the hack is more in your lower rpms while your still in vacuum. so the btm is kinda pointless but is still not bad to have. be sure though to retard your base timing on the distributor to make up for the advance created by the hack. then you should be ready to go
03-10-2005, 09:55 PM
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Re: hack or uberdata?
Uberdata:
Chipped Vtec ready ECU - $120
Chip Burner - $45-85
Wideband - $280
Datalogging cable (tuning) - $10-30
If OBD2 add in a $74 conversion harness
If OBD0 add in a $104 conversion harness
If OBD1 add nothing else
Whats the math...
OBD0 - ~$475
OBD1 - ~$375
OBD2 - ~$400
I dont even know what a VAFC goes for anymore...~$300?
I'm sorry but in my mind, the timing advance the AFC creates is BAD. Your pistons dont like, your rods dont like it, your bearings REALLY dont like it. If you have to retard your base timing, you are losing power...a BTM is pointless and more money.
You have to get both tuned and well, spend $300 on a VAFC and tuning at a shop is like what $200-300. So thats $600 total...with the $375 - $475 you spent on Uberdata supplies, you can tune it yourself anytime you want. ----, you get good you can tune your friends and other locals and pay for the ---- you had to buy originally.
Easy to see where I stand...
Chipped Vtec ready ECU - $120
Chip Burner - $45-85
Wideband - $280
Datalogging cable (tuning) - $10-30
If OBD2 add in a $74 conversion harness
If OBD0 add in a $104 conversion harness
If OBD1 add nothing else
Whats the math...
OBD0 - ~$475
OBD1 - ~$375
OBD2 - ~$400
I dont even know what a VAFC goes for anymore...~$300?
I'm sorry but in my mind, the timing advance the AFC creates is BAD. Your pistons dont like, your rods dont like it, your bearings REALLY dont like it. If you have to retard your base timing, you are losing power...a BTM is pointless and more money.
You have to get both tuned and well, spend $300 on a VAFC and tuning at a shop is like what $200-300. So thats $600 total...with the $375 - $475 you spent on Uberdata supplies, you can tune it yourself anytime you want. ----, you get good you can tune your friends and other locals and pay for the ---- you had to buy originally.
Easy to see where I stand...
03-11-2005, 08:22 AM
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Re: hack or uberdata?
Originally Posted by shanerv
So can you get a good A/F ratio read out with just the uberdata program and an extra 02, or dosen't it work like that and you need to go out and buy an actual wide band to use along with it?
03-11-2005, 04:43 PM
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Re: hack or uberdata?
see, the thing is I have no tuning experience. I could learn but I don't want to put the fate of my motor/turbo set-up in my own hands. I would rather save up and be safe by having an expert tune it.
If anyone wants to PM me tuners in Austin, Texas area that would be great.
If anyone wants to PM me tuners in Austin, Texas area that would be great.
