hack or uberdata?
 

just taking a sort of poll on what more ppl are using and what works better, im trying to decide between the too and nobdoy where i live is running either so you ppl are my only hope on some feedback.

btw : stock injectors or upgraded with uberdata

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is any more reliable than the other

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the hack is easier to ---- with....
but it advance your timing so you might want to either retard the base timing (which kills low end power) or add a BTM on top of it.
with Uberdata you need to get your ecu chipped, but basicly that`s all you need.. and you might want to buy a burner to make things easier IF you are planning to fine tune you map with a wide band.
i had the same question before,i actually went out and got a VAFC and BTM, but then i sold it all and end up using Uberdata, because:
1) set hi/lo thottle position vtec on/off rpm.
2) disable o2 heater
3) disbale close loop.
4) disable knock sensor
5) set idle rpm
6) set your fuel cut rpm
7) you got yourself a shift light with different rpm in different gear
8) adjustable lanch control
9) fuel map adjust by itself according to your fuel pressure/ injector sizing input.
10) adjust timing retard per lb of boost
11) FREE data logging which record MAP/TPS/RPM/AIR TEMP ands some other stuff. also O2 reading (can be use with wide band kits)
and a lot more function that i am sure others can tell you.
WELL..
yea just go with Uberdata. ;D

BTW, i still remember BiGWIG told me "sell the VAFC and go with UBERDATA, THEN you can talk" :P

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Clearly Uberdata. works for me.

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Uberdata! more options, less expensive.

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uber...used both and still using uber.

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obviously, uberdata is better than AFC hack. So, my question is, how much does uberdata cost? I know it's "free" but how much would it cost to get my stock Obd2 96 civic DX to be able to run Uberdata? Not included tuning cause that would vary but going from stock to having uberdata. Also if anyone could pm/post me tuners in Austin Tx not farther than houston cause that would be pushing it driving that far un-tuned

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i see it like this. with the hack its easy. for the timing issuee, add a ton of fuel and that solves it i ran the hack almost 2 years at 10psi plus. it works and gets the job done. the timing advance is really not that big of an issue unless your runinng too lean.i feel thats the issue with the hack, your either too lean and detonating, or pig rich and loosing some power due to that.

now im runing uberdata. i must say its nice to have a decent idle and sure it has more options but tunability sucks balls. you cant just run uberdata. youll also need tuning equipment like a widebad or your gona have to get your car dynoed and that also cost money. or you could run someone elses tuned bin an hope for the best. if you have acces to wideband or a dyno go with uber, because you will need to spend a lot of time tuning.

i remember with the hack, theres only one rule, better rich than lean.
uber is more complicated but better in the long run. your choice bub.

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So is it possible to download someones set-up and just run that tune? cause there's one on Xenocron's website that has the same set-up I'm going to run and the same PSI

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you can definately do that.

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What if the guy lived in Denver or something and was tuned for that altitude. I'm stuck between Uberdata and SAFC :-\ If I don't have alot of cash to keep dropping down to tune my car on dyno, which one is better? I guess this is turning into a "which is better" post...

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honestly, i would think the same thing all the time. i know you want to save money but you always dont have access to tuning an ecu on a dyno and getting all super technical with widebands, chip burners, adjusting fuel maps....! its kinda mind boggling at first if you dont have someone to actually explain the process. i ran the AFC hack for a while and had no problems. its a good thing to do if you want to be quickly running on somewhat decent management. ofcourse you cant beat the features and the great power increases you can get with TE/Uberdata. i actually switched to a chipped ecu with a basemap for my setup and i could definatly feel more power on the "butt" dyno. things only get better from here ;)

oh yeah, you said your obd2 96 civic, right? if thats the case you cant even run Uberdata yet until you convert to obd1 :-\ if so run the hack, you'll be fine!

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Ok, I think I'll run AFC hack and some DSM's and that should do fine till I learn more/have more time to tune uberdata on a dyno O0 one more thing, I heard someone talking about a msd btm or something that retards timing cause the afc advances timing. is this the only device able to retard timing to be safe or is the advance not enough to really do much?

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well, i never used the msd btm as well as many other people. but some people have. the btm retards timing as boost comes on. the advance in timing creating by the hack is more in your lower rpms while your still in vacuum. so the btm is kinda pointless but is still not bad to have. be sure though to retard your base timing on the distributor to make up for the advance created by the hack. then you should be ready to go ;)

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O0

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Uberdata:

Chipped Vtec ready ECU - $120
Chip Burner - $45-85
Wideband - $280
Datalogging cable (tuning) - $10-30

If OBD2 add in a $74 conversion harness
If OBD0 add in a $104 conversion harness
If OBD1 add nothing else

Whats the math...

OBD0 - ~$475
OBD1 - ~$375
OBD2 - ~$400

I dont even know what a VAFC goes for anymore...~$300?

I'm sorry but in my mind, the timing advance the AFC creates is BAD. Your pistons dont like, your rods dont like it, your bearings REALLY dont like it. If you have to retard your base timing, you are losing power...a BTM is pointless and more money.

You have to get both tuned and well, spend $300 on a VAFC and tuning at a shop is like what $200-300. So thats $600 total...with the $375 - $475 you spent on Uberdata supplies, you can tune it yourself anytime you want. ----, you get good you can tune your friends and other locals and pay for the ---- you had to buy originally.

Easy to see where I stand...

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So can you get a good A/F ratio read out with just the uberdata program and an extra 02, or dosen't it work like that and you need to go out and buy an actual wide band to use along with it?

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You need a wideband for a GOOD understanding of what air/fuel you are running.

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see, the thing is I have no tuning experience. I could learn but I don't want to put the fate of my motor/turbo set-up in my own hands. I would rather save up and be safe by having an expert tune it.

If anyone wants to PM me tuners in Austin, Texas area that would be great.

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For the price you would pay a reputable tuner in TX, you could learn how to do it yourself.

www.efi101.com

I highly recommend this course!

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where is that school at? It looks like a good course but it's expensive :o

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I'm working on seeing if I can get it to you all at a better price..but yes it is expensive, but WELL worth it.

From what I learned there, I have made my money back and then some.

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I'm shocked people still even consider using the hack. :-\

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is it that bad? My brother had one for his hatch with a b16 NA but I guess boost is way different.

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i'm using the hack for the meantime, until i can get in touch with projek to chip my ecu for uber.

the hack is cool because of all the adjustability in your hands, but to me its all guess work.
personally i'm going to go with uber. and sell my afc for some more goodies.

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If he was N/A, he wasnt using the Hack most likely...the uses larger than stock injectors and rescales the MAP signal to fool the ECU

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If the OBD2 ECU sees that the Dizzy is off, wont it correct it? I herd that you have to hook up the service connector to keep that from happening.... Might want to check into this some more then...

Blaze

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well, he had a Vafc... maybe not the "hack" but it was an afc ;)

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2 totally different uses for the VAFC