worth it?
06-30-2004, 10:06 PM
#31
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Re:worth it?
Well, in my experience with motors, here's a little rundown of my motor's condition before and after:
- When I bought the engine from my buddy a looooooonggggg time ago, it was rusted on the outside, oil caked on the bottom outside and bottom of oil pan inside, and all kinds of dirt on the flywheels, and clutch, etc.
- Then, after taking the motor completely apart (I do mean APART), cleaning the crap out of it using Brake Cleaner and Engine Degreasers (I ended up using like almost 15 cans of this ----. But the motor is like immaculate on the inside and out. Took the block, head, and manifolds, and did a little sanding to remove the carbon deposits on the pistons, piston walls, valves, intake and exhaust ports, and etc.
Basically after four long months of drama and drawbacks, I had a spanking new looking B18A1 LS Motor.
So, was it worth it? You betcha bottom dollar I did. I bought the whole darn motor minus the tranny and dizzy for $150 from my buddy cause it looked like ----. But in the long run, I saved money and my buddy hated my guts for selling me a good engine.
The point is...Persistence. How far are you willing to go and how dedicated are you? Diferent folks have different motivations. This is just my input...
- When I bought the engine from my buddy a looooooonggggg time ago, it was rusted on the outside, oil caked on the bottom outside and bottom of oil pan inside, and all kinds of dirt on the flywheels, and clutch, etc.
- Then, after taking the motor completely apart (I do mean APART), cleaning the crap out of it using Brake Cleaner and Engine Degreasers (I ended up using like almost 15 cans of this ----. But the motor is like immaculate on the inside and out. Took the block, head, and manifolds, and did a little sanding to remove the carbon deposits on the pistons, piston walls, valves, intake and exhaust ports, and etc.
Basically after four long months of drama and drawbacks, I had a spanking new looking B18A1 LS Motor.
So, was it worth it? You betcha bottom dollar I did. I bought the whole darn motor minus the tranny and dizzy for $150 from my buddy cause it looked like ----. But in the long run, I saved money and my buddy hated my guts for selling me a good engine.
The point is...Persistence. How far are you willing to go and how dedicated are you? Diferent folks have different motivations. This is just my input...
06-30-2004, 10:12 PM
#32
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Re:worth it?
Well that was just a motor that looked crappy and was worn out? Yeah I'll do that to cast sbc blocks all the time.. I want to find a nice all steel 327 jewel from a redneck one day.. that would be nice.
The problem with that mx6 block is it got fucked up, and might have more problems. Not to mention it's not a popular choice like an LS motor that has plenty of parts avail for cheap and all sorts of support for doing it.
The problem with that mx6 block is it got fucked up, and might have more problems. Not to mention it's not a popular choice like an LS motor that has plenty of parts avail for cheap and all sorts of support for doing it.
07-01-2004, 12:42 AM
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Re:worth it?
ANYWAYS, Mary ill give you a 100 % for atleast wanting to rebuild your own engine. i think thats very awsome. im not too firmiliar with Mazda engines, but im sure if u posted around other forums you'd find a better response than on HMT.
Good Luck !
Good Luck !
07-01-2004, 01:25 AM
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Re:worth it?
Originally Posted by quadnie
Originally Posted by MakAttack
haha, sorry, that might have been a good detail to include huh. It's a Maxda Mx6 V6 2.0
07-01-2004, 01:30 AM
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Re:worth it?
Originally Posted by nitrus
Originally Posted by MakAttack
Since I don't have a bf with access to a shop and lots of nifty ---- whenever he wants and can teach me all there is to know, I'll do it the hard way and take my own apart and bug other people when I get stumped.
07-01-2004, 01:46 AM
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Re:worth it?
Anyways, thanks Travis for the support, and thanks to everyone else who contributed to this thread accordingly. Your advice/input has been noted.
I'm not so sure about it's ability to be fully rebuilt. The block might have been more damaged than either me or my dad know. (we'll have to take a look at it obviously) And God knows what other types of problems it has. One issue I'm a little leary of is that I don't think it was taken very good care of by it's previous two owners. Simple maintenace like oil changes I don't think happened too often. On that note, I know that lack of care in that area can cause the capilaries? (i think that's the right word
) to become congested with old cruddy oil resulting in not enough oil getting into the sleeves to lube up letting the pistons move up and down freely. I don't feel like having any fused pistons on my hands. Anyone know of a good way to check for good or regular flow out of these specific areas? And/or ways to fix the build up?
And as far as getting better responses...I've pretty much been getting the types that I was looking for. I'm not asking anyone "how" to rebuild this engine. I'm simply asking if you had one in your posession that was in similar shape and condition, would it be worth it, or even possible. I know all motors are different and some would/will be easier to fix/clean than others. But it's pretty general what I'm asking.
And Ryan...given my "financial state and level of skill" you're damn right it'd be a project. It's nothing I plan on having done in four months. I won't even be able to start working on it til after September most likely. My dad thinks I'm a nut for wanting to rebuild it. We got the klze for 900....it'd probably take that much or more to rebuild this pile of metal out in my yard.
But we'll see.
I'm not so sure about it's ability to be fully rebuilt. The block might have been more damaged than either me or my dad know. (we'll have to take a look at it obviously) And God knows what other types of problems it has. One issue I'm a little leary of is that I don't think it was taken very good care of by it's previous two owners. Simple maintenace like oil changes I don't think happened too often. On that note, I know that lack of care in that area can cause the capilaries? (i think that's the right word
) to become congested with old cruddy oil resulting in not enough oil getting into the sleeves to lube up letting the pistons move up and down freely. I don't feel like having any fused pistons on my hands. Anyone know of a good way to check for good or regular flow out of these specific areas? And/or ways to fix the build up?And as far as getting better responses...I've pretty much been getting the types that I was looking for. I'm not asking anyone "how" to rebuild this engine. I'm simply asking if you had one in your posession that was in similar shape and condition, would it be worth it, or even possible. I know all motors are different and some would/will be easier to fix/clean than others. But it's pretty general what I'm asking.
And Ryan...given my "financial state and level of skill" you're damn right it'd be a project. It's nothing I plan on having done in four months. I won't even be able to start working on it til after September most likely. My dad thinks I'm a nut for wanting to rebuild it. We got the klze for 900....it'd probably take that much or more to rebuild this pile of metal out in my yard.
But we'll see.
07-01-2004, 02:40 AM
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Re:worth it?
I doubt that oil buildup is that bad, I've seen much worse from overheated blocks.. your block would crack apart before you had major oil breakdown.
If you really want to preflush the motor, I would just flush it with kerosene. Since it's not in the car, this may be a problem. Here is what I would do:
Drain out the motor oil, fill it full of kerosene. Next the motor has to be rotated over with some sort of force. The oil pump has to be engaged, on v8 and most slant 4 cylinder motors the oil pump is driven off the distributor so engaging it is easy.. I'm unsure how the platform is on that v6. Pulling the plugs and bolting up a starter would be about your best option. Run it for a couple of minutes on the starter and then you will have kerosene cycled thru all the viens and ready for a gunk free tear down.
The first step would be to just tear the motor apart and throw everything into boxes, get it to a level where u can inspect it. Once you are at that point then you will know which direction to go. If the block isn't fucked up then you just might want to consider replacement pistons, bearings and seals. Never hurts to have spare motors around.
Oh yeah, tearing the block down towards winter will help somewhat on the colony of spiders living in it.. you will still have those bastard black jumping ones hiding deep in the crevaces. Don't forget about all those ------- mud dobbers that like to fill up bolt holes with larva. Yeah leaving ---- outside completely sucks.
I wouldn't spend that much money on brake parts cleaner for everything, gasoline, diesel fuel or degreaser should be a cheap way to clean the crud off.
If you really want to preflush the motor, I would just flush it with kerosene. Since it's not in the car, this may be a problem. Here is what I would do:
Drain out the motor oil, fill it full of kerosene. Next the motor has to be rotated over with some sort of force. The oil pump has to be engaged, on v8 and most slant 4 cylinder motors the oil pump is driven off the distributor so engaging it is easy.. I'm unsure how the platform is on that v6. Pulling the plugs and bolting up a starter would be about your best option. Run it for a couple of minutes on the starter and then you will have kerosene cycled thru all the viens and ready for a gunk free tear down.
The first step would be to just tear the motor apart and throw everything into boxes, get it to a level where u can inspect it. Once you are at that point then you will know which direction to go. If the block isn't fucked up then you just might want to consider replacement pistons, bearings and seals. Never hurts to have spare motors around.
Oh yeah, tearing the block down towards winter will help somewhat on the colony of spiders living in it.. you will still have those bastard black jumping ones hiding deep in the crevaces. Don't forget about all those ------- mud dobbers that like to fill up bolt holes with larva. Yeah leaving ---- outside completely sucks.
I wouldn't spend that much money on brake parts cleaner for everything, gasoline, diesel fuel or degreaser should be a cheap way to clean the crud off.
07-01-2004, 02:56 AM
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Re:worth it?
i think im going to make a HMT name and pretend im a girl, because if youre a girl and ask stupid questions, you dont get flamed, now if this was a guy asking this question without providing all the necessary info, the flaming would never end.
07-01-2004, 03:14 AM
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Re:worth it?
it's a pile of crap out in my backyard that blew up over a year ago. what more should i have provided? it's sitting upright with no valve cover, water in it everywhere i'm sure. i'll go take pics tomorrow.
07-01-2004, 03:15 AM
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Re:worth it?
there is no need to be racist or sexist on a forum that is completely blind. I actually thought makattack was a guy at first (since 25% of the members here have a chick as an avatar). Like I mentioned before, check out my earlier posts. I gave absolutely everyone this kind of response to their question, even if the member had only one post and never returned to follow up.
How many times have I helped you in the forced induction forum?
How many times have I helped you in the forced induction forum?
