RedCavz

Looking at the reviews on the site, most people don't seem to be promoting it, but who knows.

Johnyquest

I've used a few different things, but they took a lot of what I was taking off the market. The real wins were Phera-Plex and Superdrol. They are hard on you, but if you use them right, they work great in 4 week cycles. That stuff I linked was the first one that made it through the last FDA removal I could come across. If you read enough, you'll figure out what's good and hot in the bb world these days. I personally still have leftover bottles of the two products I mentioned before, but as I said, they pulled 'em off the market a few months back. They all work REALLY well if you take them as directed... REALLY well. I can't stress this enough. Do your reading, you'll get what you need.

Matt

RENR

thermo gen 2 is the ----. too bad we cant get it anymore in cali

quicksilvia

as a base you should be trying to take in around 200gs of protein per day. I also take Creatine Ethyl Ester in the bulk powder form.

get at least
whey protein
Creatine
good multivitamin

Johnyquest

Ok, here it is. I took the time for you and found the replacement for Phera-Plex. This IS the one you want. The guy above has the right idea, too. Good nutrition, heavy protien intake, etc are all SUPER important when using any 'supplement' like the one I'm about to introduce you to.

Be warned, there are "supporting supplements" needed to go along with it. Read the desciption and do your research or ask around before you take this. REQUIRED will be a PCT (post cycle therapy) with this stuff... but if you do it right, you'll get seriously nice gains, and you can utilize it to enhance yourself in anyway you like (bulk, cut, stay the same but just get stronger).

Here it is, and this is the one I as well as many friends used:

http://www.1fast400.com/?products_id=2485

Good luck,

That's some powerful ----!

Matt

dragon

just do lots of reps with decent weight. Don't even worry about lifting heavy. Try doing dips, crunches, pull up, sit ups, with a bar with weight or yourself. Great # of reps is the key and do that until you max out. And stay away from carbs and eat lots of meat and salad and you should see some result. If that don't work try xenadrine even thought i never taken it myself and really dont know if that works or not. But some friends of mine have taken that and hydroxycut.

B16CRXT

I did think about hydroxycut to help lose beer gut in combination with the workouts. I've been on the Jared diet lately and eating more salads. Also been reading Men's Fitness Magazine for tips on workouts and eating etc. If I get some whey protien will it help me lose the fat quicker than without? I know it will help ubild muscle...

dragon

Whey protein will help you build more muscles because it provides your muscle with the building block to be bigger and stronger after you break them down from a workout. If your trying to lose weight like your gut and to define your muscles I wouldn't neccessary take that first. Just work on def and reps and eat less with a diet and you'll see some definition. If your satisfied with the results down the line and want to build muscle and gain weight then i recommend whey protein

Tom-Guy

Haha. I lost ten pounds in the last week by not taking my amphetamines and loading up on sugar and carbs. I also haven't slept a whole hell of a lot. I feel great.

dragon

lol