Wire taps o my!!
01-17-2006, 10:45 AM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Originally Posted by random-strike
you want to know why the president thinks he needs a super secret wire tap ability is because the media, and the congress in attempts to bring attenton to themselves. let this information out. and the terrorists change their ways, so the information resource is no longer there. this is documented time and time again.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's cell phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's satellite phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
along with al qaeda email, phone, etc... when the media reports the US is gaining information this way... the terrorists or enemy stops using that method.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's cell phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
the CIA was listening to bin laden's satellite phone... until the media reported it... and he stopped using it.
along with al qaeda email, phone, etc... when the media reports the US is gaining information this way... the terrorists or enemy stops using that method.
Next thing you know, Johnny will want to take away my guns...
The Pentagon has a media briefing every morning, telling the press what's going on in Iraq. How's that for keeping a lid on things?
If it's a leak, it's an managerial issue at the Pentagon or the White House... If they can't manage their people, I don't know what to tell you. :1
01-17-2006, 12:05 PM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
The government has to do things that you and I don't know about in order to give them the upper hand in dealing with terrorists and the rules they play by (which is none).
The media's attempts to make Bush out to be the biggest terrorist in the world are the equivilent to someone standing behind you at the card table giving away what your hand is to your opponent. The wire taps in question haven't effected you, and won't effect you, and you'll never admit that the strategy makes sense to deal with sneaky terrorists. It does make sense, and that's all that really matters when you lay your head down to sleep at night. (Unless you can't stop thinking about the Bush amnesty plan) :P
The media's attempts to make Bush out to be the biggest terrorist in the world are the equivilent to someone standing behind you at the card table giving away what your hand is to your opponent. The wire taps in question haven't effected you, and won't effect you, and you'll never admit that the strategy makes sense to deal with sneaky terrorists. It does make sense, and that's all that really matters when you lay your head down to sleep at night. (Unless you can't stop thinking about the Bush amnesty plan) :P
01-17-2006, 12:16 PM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Originally Posted by random-strike
Also, i read and heard today that the big NSA wiretap NON-scandal, was only dealing with forgein communication WITH american citizens in the US.
Originally Posted by random-strike
you want to know why the president thinks he needs a super secret wire tap ability is because the media, and the congress in attempts to bring attenton to themselves. let this information out. and the terrorists change their ways, so the information resource is no longer there. this is documented time and time again.
01-17-2006, 12:25 PM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
The government has to do things that you and I don't know about in order to give them the upper hand in dealing with terrorists and the rules they play by (which is none).
It's my understanding that anyone with the proper clearance could go to the FISA cout, put in their request and it's pretty much a slam dunk to get it approved. The court is there, just in case, someone decided they wanted to abuse that power. It's not often that that has happened (5 out of 19,000?), but it has happened. However, it hasn't delayed getting approval for surveilence.
I understand the reasoning behind things being classified or secret to protect national security, but whatever. Bush is not omnipotent. He can't rush in and invade Iraq or Afghanistan or China or Taiwan or Japan or India or Pakistan without first getting support and approval... He also can't override or change the Constitution because he feels like it. Democracy is what stops him.
If the media is doing something wrong, then they should be brought up on charges. If they haven't, you really don't have a leg to stand on.
01-17-2006, 12:40 PM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Originally Posted by 95RedEX
He can't rush in and invade Iraq or Afghanistan or China or Taiwan or Japan or India or Pakistan without first getting support and approval... He also can't override or change the Constitution because he feels like it. Democracy is what stops him.
and we go and bomb this house see.. in a country.. thats our ally.. and get lots more people pissed off at ***...
clever.. very clever.
01-17-2006, 02:20 PM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
I do have a very strong feeling about the government becoming too big and spying and just overall putting their noses into things before there is a reason, but I just don't see how international taps are a threat to the everyday lives of your average citizen going to work/school, ect.... Red light camera's are more of an invasion than an international phone call to a country that may be supporting terrorism.
01-17-2006, 02:43 PM
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Re: Wire taps o my!!
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
I do have a very strong feeling about the government becoming too big and spying and just overall putting their noses into things before there is a reason, but I just don't see how international taps are a threat to the everyday lives of your average citizen going to work/school, ect....
the NSA destroyed thousands of records when word of this came out.. i.e. records of people/corporations.. organizations.. all that ---- got shredded against the will of the fbi and the cia.. they did it in fear of lawsuits.. now who's gonna stop bush from tapping into the next presidents head quarters? theres no buffer.. they even set up a secret court to make ---- faster on them and they STILL didnt use it..
