b16sellout

The motor Bisi built was talked about in an issue of SCC (July 2005). He used an F22A1: Darton sleeves, knife edge crank, destroked with an H22A crank, 17:1 compression, F22A1 head, ported, welded combustion chambers to help increase compression, doesn't give any information on cam size but it say something about 9,400 rpm in the article. Transmission is a D16A1, final drive of 5.00:1, had to have an adapter plate for the transmission, at the time of the article it was making 341.6hp and 247.6ft/lb at the wheels.

tman6919

its like back in the day when I went to the car show in my CRX minime turbo and everybody looked at me like i was a retard for not going B. People just like to follow people. My Crx stomped 99% of the b16's, GSR's and ---- with a homemade turbo 14b kit and it cost less than their preety little carbon fiber hoods. F22/23's can handel some serous power, im mean 300whp-350whp on a bone stock block r u ------- kidding me. ---- i want an accord now. 8.8-9.3:1 compression ratio perfect for boost

Oscar

you'd be much better off swapping one of these engines into a lighter chassis. I mean ----, i run 15.2 with my NA f22b dohc(pretty much an h23-.1 liter. its from the prelude si in jdmland). I'm prolly faster now since that time was run with a basemap(stock ecu i ran 15.5).

I already pwn most B series swaps. I walk on stock or close to stock gsr's without a problem. now imagine all that torque on a chassis thats like 500lbs+ lighter.

highway driving would be fun

HondaTuner

^ With that you could throw that engine in a stripped ed civic hatch with the H series mounts since they're the same. Only problem is you'd need that one adapter for the transmission.

I think it'd be fun in a civic cx or so, even NA.

Oscar

f22 are beasts NA. they can easily reach h22 power with about half the money an h22 would cost to swap into an accord.

h23 IM and TB, 272 delta regrind, some head work and tuning should get you enough power to be where im at with my f22b. maybe even faster.

have you seen HondaFan81's red project over at cb7tuner? that's pretty much what he has and most likely puts down way more power than i have(i say most likely becuase i dont know how much i have)

his setup:
http://cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=24996

- F22a1 SOHC head & block
- 152 WHP @ 6600 rpm, 127 WTQ @ 5100 rpm (Mustang roller dyno)
- Powerband is from 4000 - 7000 rpm
- Hondata S200 dyno tuned, running with 87 octane pump gas
- Conservative tune for daily driver 12.2-12.4 AFR
- 26.5 mpg and 350 miles to the tank

Miscellaneous OEM Project-Install Parts >> INSTALLED
Bomz Short-ram Intake >> INSTALLED
Maxbore 67-64mm Taper H23 TB >> INSTALLED
Maxbore Port-matched H23 Plenum to TB >> INSTALLED
CHR H23 P&P Intake Manifold >> INSTALLED
CHR F22 Street P&P Head (stock valvetrain, new valve seals, 3-angle valve job) >> INSTALLED
Delta 272 Camshaft Regrind >> INSTALLED
Kamikaze 4-1 Header w/2.5" collector >> INSTALLED
2.5" Custom Exhaust >> INSTALLED
2.5" Catco High-flow Catalytic Converter >> INSTALLED
22" Magnaflow Resonator >> INSTALLED
OBX Dual-Tip Muffler >> INSTALLED
Accel 8mm Spark Plug Wires (red) >> INSTALLED
PST Front Motor Mount Insert >> INSTALLED
Poly-filled Remaining Motor Mounts >> INSTALLED
Ground Wire Kit >>

GenLx

i've put a lot of research into the f22's, considering i run the f22b2 in my cord. the main reason, few people think to run an accord motor, they just think its a slow grocery getter motor and most people dont look into it. once you get past that, most companies dont make performance parts for the f22's. but, like mentioned above, its becoming more demanded over the last year, so we are starting to see more parts pop up for them. the great thing about the f22, especially the b2, is that its a 8.8:1 comp ratio on a solid block that will take boost like a beast. right about now you can get pistons, rods and sleeves for right around 2,000. so for most people, thats not worth it when an entire kit can cost less than that.

but, with that the f22 becomes bulletproof. one of the great things too is that the f22 holds its numbers as performance increases like a lot of other motors dont. as hp goes up, the tq goes up almost identically. where as on other turbo setups, you can see high hp but pathetic tq numbers. the sohc can pump out some sweet power. another issue some peopel have as well is that it redlines at 6k and shouldnt be pushed a whole lot more than that unless its been worked over. most people dont like a 6k redline, even up to 7k with the internals overhauled.

its a great solid platform that can easily push 225-250hp and 200-225ft/lb with stock internals and with the right parts easily break 300-350hp with a solid 300ft/lb. its just in the baby stages as far as companies and performance parts come to mind

EG-prince

This is good stuff, the kind of stuff i like to hear. I really think I'll do it for my next project. The most expensive part should prolly be the swap mounts which really aren't that bad. The motor and tranny itself shouldn't be too bad for me b/c my local mechanic goes to auctions every week and should be able to pick up an accord with body damage for pretty damn cheap . So is the main problem with revving the engine higher due to the crank, or is it the head? or even just shitty rods/rodbolts? If i did this swap, i would prolly just run stock block to start and boost it, and upgrade later if i got bored/blew it up. And turbo should be fairly cheap-- you can modify dsm manifolds can't you?

bigdaddyvtec

With the F....you dont really have to sleeve ----... just put in forged pistons, and use the 50mm h crank with h rods.... I was going to, untill I figured ---- it.. Fully built sleeved H with big snail and ported head for me. I had moved my limiter to 7k as well... Motor made GOOD power all the way up to it with the t3/04e 57trim... H23 trans helped a bit too....

The only "problem" I had was the head lift at 12 psi. ARP studs 5 pounds over took care of that.. Ran up to 18 psi on it (was set at 15, then I got a better intercooler... hopped up to 18 ad stayed there).....---- it felt great.... There really is ALOT to say for thew crazy *** torque these thingsmake.


IF I would have stayed Single cam I would opt for the a6 head though... better flow than even the H head... There... I said it... ANd trust me, Ive read about all of it. Ivbe gotten intop sooooo many debates regarding the F motor, and supported it fiercely... I hope that the SOHC god does not strike down apon my *** with fierce vengance for going with the fully buil.t H... It seems the way to go for my HP goals....

BUT THE F IS STILL #1 in my heart..... NO ONE EVER BELIEVED that my car was SIngle slam.... Id litterally have to show them to shut them up.

And alas, the whole setup now sits in the back seat of my car waiting to be shipped to its new rightfull owner tonight... ---- my car is slow.... But... not for long!!!!!

Oscar

if you're gona do a project like this, i recommend you take install new bearings. most f22 engines have over 200k now. its not that much, i know people have boosted their f22's with tons more miles.

but, its just helps ease my mind while im beating on it.

imo, i think the valve train would give out before the crank does. f22b dohc is pretty much the usdm f22 bottom end(with the exception of different pistons because the f22b has 9.2 cr), then it uses an h23 head.

the redline for the engine is 6800. the redline for the sohc f22's is 6200-ish. now, the block is the same, the only difference is the head obviously. that must mean that its the head that limits the rev potential. either way, i would absolutely not rev that ---- past 7k after valve train mods.

but with these engines, theres absolutely no need to rev past 7k to make enormous power. like 5thgenlx said, the tq curve matches, and in most cases, goes past what the hp curve is. so, this is why revving high on these engines is not a necessecity.

and yes, to stay on the hmt route, the dsm manifolds(eclipse, talon, laser) fit the f22a/h23/f22b dohc/f20a head exhaust patterns. you just gota redrill the mouting holes on the manifold, but thats cake.

they DO NOT fit f22b1 or f22b2, only F22a1/4/6, h23, f22b dohc, and f20a/b.

oh, all f22's, with the exception of the f22b dohc, are 8.8 cr.

Oscar

which h are you talking about? i know for a fact that it does NOT flow as well as the h22. the a6 flows the best out of all f22's. why do you think there is a huge hp gain when you swap on a dohc head? its certainly not because compression is raised(no head swap on an f block will raise compression unless it has been milled). it is because those heads flow better.