Stupid me, Bad size rod bearings own me(update)
05-05-2005, 01:29 PM
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Re: Stupid me, Bad size rod bearings own me.
Well I called honda and their tech guy told me that if I didnt run the engine for too long (which I didnt) that I will be fine, just get the right size bearings and its going to be fine. he told me that the oil clearance might be a few thousanths of an inch too big which makes the bottom end tick like that.
05-05-2005, 01:47 PM
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Re: Stupid me, Bad size rod bearings own me.
Originally Posted by AbaZ
Always..... Always plastigauge your bottom end if you are replacing your rods, crank or putting in a new set of bearings.
The only time you can kinda look the other way is if you replace every bearing with a brand new one that is the exact same on each journal. Remember some halfs can be a green/yellow or brown/green combo. Thats why its important to see what comes out of the
engine and keep them together.
If your ---- is knocking right from the getgo.. eh, thats ugly. Just hope that journal is ok, dont expect it to last to long
The only time you can kinda look the other way is if you replace every bearing with a brand new one that is the exact same on each journal. Remember some halfs can be a green/yellow or brown/green combo. Thats why its important to see what comes out of the
engine and keep them together.
If your ---- is knocking right from the getgo.. eh, thats ugly. Just hope that journal is ok, dont expect it to last to long
05-05-2005, 02:08 PM
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Re: Stupid me, Bad size rod bearings own me.
You sure it's your bearings? I put ACL bearings in my motor and they all were in spec and my oil pressure is great but my engine "ticks" a lot because of the vitaras. The vitaras slap, a lot.
05-05-2005, 03:30 PM
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Re: Stupid me, Bad size rod bearings own me.
Originally Posted by Xgenturbo
Originally Posted by accordepicenter
you didnt spec it out with plastigauge? 
Somtimes the "green" bearings will work, but it all has to be in spec, ideally you should spec out each bearing on each rod and main
Edit: your lucky you didnt spin a bearing... that woulda really messed up stuff
Somtimes the "green" bearings will work, but it all has to be in spec, ideally you should spec out each bearing on each rod and main Edit: your lucky you didnt spin a bearing... that woulda really messed up stuff
Plastiguage is only used to determine if an existing bearings should be replaced on an old motor, what I need to do is read the crank, read the rod and get the proper color bearing.
when you put the rod in, you put a strip of the plastigauge on the crank surface and but the firt bearing colour in. when your trq the rod bolts (or main bolts) down the strip will squish. The width of that strip when you remove the cap (DO NOT SPIN THE CRANK) is measure against a card. that will tell you the clearence between the bearings and the crank surface.
05-06-2005, 02:05 AM
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Well good news, No spun bearings. Tomorrow i'm going to honda to order the proper ones.
Rod 1 is #3 Crank says C (Brown)
Rod 2 is #3 Crank says B (Green)
Rod 3 is #2 Crank says B (Yellow)
Rod 4 is #3 Crahk says B (Green)
The thing with cyl 1 is where its stamped C, the C looks double stamped and below the CC there is a small number 2 and its only on that journal, any one know what this means?
Rod 1 is #3 Crank says C (Brown)
Rod 2 is #3 Crank says B (Green)
Rod 3 is #2 Crank says B (Yellow)
Rod 4 is #3 Crahk says B (Green)
The thing with cyl 1 is where its stamped C, the C looks double stamped and below the CC there is a small number 2 and its only on that journal, any one know what this means?
05-06-2005, 09:19 AM
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Re: Stupid me, Bad size rod bearings own me.
Originally Posted by julio_bOOstamante
while i believe this to be true, i didnt do it to my flat rate re-build on the ZC. I just bought some Clevite77 bearings and slapped them on. No plasti-gauge no nothing. Guess i got lucky cause the car runs fine.
Oh very true, I've slapped ACL bearings in engines before and not measure anything and turn out just fine. But if its something you plan on keeping for awhile, or you have just swapped cranks/rods etc.. Then I'd definatly suggest the .99 cent plastigauge and the 15minutes it takes spec'n everything out.
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05-06-2005, 11:15 AM
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Re: Stupid me, Bad size rod bearings own me.
well the thing is the max service limit is .002, cyl 1 reads .004, 2,3 read .003 and 4 is .002, so at two thousandths over on one, and one thousandth over 2 and 3 I believe it is very possible to get a knock right from the start.
05-11-2005, 12:09 AM
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Re: Stupid me, Bad size rod bearings own me(Update)
Well today I can say i'm happy, I got the new bearings from honda, plastiguage showed that everything is fine, cranked the sucker up and it ran like ----..2 sensor connectors were messed up, but got it running properly, no ticking other than the valves, I did a valve job, broke the engine in, drove the ---- out of it to 5-6 k a few times and the car runs good, timing is still a bit off but no big deal, i'm happy to say the build is a success.
The setup:
D16Z6
B18 LS rods
Suzuki Vitara pistons
Rebuild block from ground up.
The soon to be setup:
Garrett T3, intercooled tuned with uberdata running 12 psi daily.
The setup:
D16Z6
B18 LS rods
Suzuki Vitara pistons
Rebuild block from ground up.
The soon to be setup:
Garrett T3, intercooled tuned with uberdata running 12 psi daily.
