Seirously running off water, no petrol, 700% gain in energy
05-25-2006, 12:05 PM
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Re: Seirously running off water, no petrol, 700% gain in energy
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
So a guy with a bunch of cobbled together tubing and some service-grade $7/per pressure gauges from Grainger.com is going to be able to sidestep limits of physics as we know them, from the comfort of his own backyard?
That's nice.
That's nice.
The links you posted even admited to his method of electrolysis being diffrent.
05-25-2006, 12:26 PM
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Re: Seirously running off water, no petrol, 700% gain in energy
First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another. The First Law of Thermodynamics (Conservation) states that energy is always conserved, it cannot be created or destroyed. In essence, energy can be converted from one form into another. Click here for another page (developed by Dr. John Pratte, Clayton State Univ., GA) covering thermodynamics.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state." This is also commonly referred to as entropy. A watchspring-driven watch will run until the potential energy in the spring is converted, and not again until energy is reapplied to the spring to rewind it. A car that has run out of gas will not run again until you walk 10 miles to a gas station and refuel the car. Once the potential energy locked in carbohydrates is converted into kinetic energy (energy in use or motion), the organism will get no more until energy is input again. In the process of energy transfer, some energy will dissipate as heat. Entropy is a measure of disorder: cells are NOT disordered and so have low entropy. The flow of energy maintains order and life. Entropy wins when organisms cease to take in energy and die.
The only argument is that it takes more energy to split the covalent bond of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms than you get from the hydrogen as energy. If his design can be replicated and the results are positive then thats great. And if it doesn't work like he says and its exactly the same as normal electrolysis then ok, we're still where we were. There is no benefit in meeting this specific idea with scepticism. Expecialy without anyone replicating his fuel cells and simply dismissing them as a hoax to get investment money.
05-25-2006, 01:00 PM
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Re: Seirously running off water, no petrol, 700% gain in energy
Found a diffrent website
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4389981
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4421474
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4465455
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4613304
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4798661
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4826581
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4936961
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4389981
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4421474
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4465455
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4613304
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4798661
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4826581
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#4936961
05-25-2006, 03:06 PM
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Re: Seirously running off water, no petrol, 700% gain in energy
Two things to think about.........
Cold Fusion and E + MC^2
Energy cannot be gained nor lost. H2O doesn't have all the extra 'trons to release energy when split.
But I have split a beer atom!
Cold Fusion and E + MC^2
Energy cannot be gained nor lost. H2O doesn't have all the extra 'trons to release energy when split.
But I have split a beer atom!
05-25-2006, 03:07 PM
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Re: Seirously running off water, no petrol, 700% gain in energy
Nothings being split. Just the covalnet bond broken so the hydrogen can be used. I should drive up to grove city and see if one of his fuel cells are lying around
05-25-2006, 04:28 PM
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Re: Seirously running off water, no petrol, 700% gain in energy
From what little I've seen about this, I'm pretty sure he's talking about a "Joe Cell", rather than a "fuel cell". In a fuel cell, water is electrolysed into hydrogen and oxygen. In a Joe Cell, the water is merely a catalyst for a reaction which produces "other gases" (supposedly Brown's gas, and/or Orgone(?)) and is not being split. In other words, it's extracting dissolved gasses from the water that are produced during the catalytic reaction. I have absolutely no knowledge about how or if the so-called Joe Cell works. I'm just supplying some references for you to discuss.
http://www.frank.germano.com/joe_cell.htm
On one hand, it seems to have a lot of observational data supporting it's functionality. On the other hand, the explanation as to how it works sounds VERY unscientific (not that that's nescessarily a bad thing, but it's a possible red flag nonetheless). At this time I neither support or debunk their claims. Further data needed.
Oh, and Frank Germano's not the source of this info, it's merely posted among many other things on his website.
http://www.frank.germano.com/joe_cell.htm
On one hand, it seems to have a lot of observational data supporting it's functionality. On the other hand, the explanation as to how it works sounds VERY unscientific (not that that's nescessarily a bad thing, but it's a possible red flag nonetheless). At this time I neither support or debunk their claims. Further data needed.
Oh, and Frank Germano's not the source of this info, it's merely posted among many other things on his website.
