Ron Paul.
08-27-2007, 01:26 AM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Frank, an argument can be made against the death penalty, but the same science that proves a guy from the 70's didn't do it, is the same science that is putting bitches away today. You either support them for the rest of thier lives, or take a chance that you kill an innocent. I'd venture to say that most innocent people were proven innocent by science that wasn't available when they were convicted. That's an argument for the death penalty btw.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
You can break down any situation you want, but the founders of the constitution would have never agreed to the US having taxpayers pay for international military bases. Again, we're either the owners of the whole world, or we're not. I would say we are not.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Frank, take the savings of not having military bases on every corner of the world, the defense budget for all of this garbage, and compare it to the federal income tax. It doesn't compare. A wasteful decision to put a military base somewhere it shouldn't be doesn't automatically make someone hate the military, or your job, or whatever else you percieve. It's a person calling something that shouldn't be there, wasteful. Our priority is America, not being in japan wasting money protecting someone elses' ***. That's not what the country was founded on.
08-27-2007, 01:30 AM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
If our FBI and CIA were doing the exact job they were hired to do, I'd be interested in finding out how our troops in a shithole like Iraq could make a ---- of a difference. Yeah, I've heard the "It'll be a hotbed for homemadeterrorism when we leave" argument, but the truth is, terrorists living today are terrorists, or they're not, and they definately live somewhere right now. The perception of us invading Iraq only to leave early would create more terrorists that hate us, but what are we gonna do about that now that the Iraqi government is on a month long vacation? This goes along with the rest of our percieved influence, so Iraq by itself isn't going to mean ---- anyway. Would it matter if terrorists met in Iraq, or does it mean anything different that they're gathered in Iran or Pakistan, or wherever the ---- they want? ----, it's estimated that we have terrorist cells here in America. WTF would Iraq have to do with ----, unless we were protecting our oil source, which then, I could understand? That's not the argument I'm hearing though.
Horribly Vulnerable has more to do with an open border and federal and state authorities being to chicken ---- to enforce the laws we already have. Frank, sitting in Japan tonight doesn't make us more or less vulnerable to anything. If we protect ourselves first, borders, CIA and FBI for international ----, local and state authorities deporting people, who's gonna touch us?
Horribly Vulnerable has more to do with an open border and federal and state authorities being to chicken ---- to enforce the laws we already have. Frank, sitting in Japan tonight doesn't make us more or less vulnerable to anything. If we protect ourselves first, borders, CIA and FBI for international ----, local and state authorities deporting people, who's gonna touch us?
isolationism will lead us into ANOTHER world war, bigger and badder than the previous two caused partly because of isolationism
08-27-2007, 01:30 AM
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Franks just doing what I and alot of people did for a long time. We express an opinion, and then have to take the defensive when we're told we're not seeing the whole thing, and that leads to more defense, which doesn't really get anyone thinking about the actual arguement.
It seems really drastic at first, these ideas, but to think that the constitution or the people who wrote it would have military bases everywhere, influence through payoffs or threats worldwide, and the citizens paying half of thier incomes to taxes is nuts. I'm convinced that even if we acted as mother Terresa throughout the world, the people of the other countries aren't going to percieve it as such, and we're gonna have a pissing contest on our hands.
It seems really drastic at first, these ideas, but to think that the constitution or the people who wrote it would have military bases everywhere, influence through payoffs or threats worldwide, and the citizens paying half of thier incomes to taxes is nuts. I'm convinced that even if we acted as mother Terresa throughout the world, the people of the other countries aren't going to percieve it as such, and we're gonna have a pissing contest on our hands.
08-27-2007, 01:36 AM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by buk9tp
and again he isnt just gonna come in and stop everything in one day you can ease people out of it..
Originally Posted by rawr
Frank, will you please read what you're arguing against before you try to formulate an argument. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but when you don't know what you arguing against, how are you supposed to take a coherent, valid stance?
08-27-2007, 01:38 AM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Franks just doing what I and alot of people did for a long time. We express an opinion, and then have to take the defensive when we're told we're not seeing the whole thing, and that leads to more defense, which doesn't really get anyone thinking about the actual arguement.
08-27-2007, 01:44 AM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by junkyard racer
Kill the bastard.
Originally Posted by junkyard racer
Steve, you take us away and were wide the ---- open to be wiped off the earth.
Originally Posted by junkyard racer
people bitching about what is being done in Iraq is so negative, its sick. And everyone called Kerry a flip flop. lol.
Originally Posted by random-strike
the borders are leaving us vulnerable and thats one thing i agree with dr paul on.
isolationism will lead us into ANOTHER world war, bigger and badder than the previous two caused partly because of isolationism
isolationism will lead us into ANOTHER world war, bigger and badder than the previous two caused partly because of isolationism
If we isolate ourselves, with a completely functioning FBI, CIA (I'm sure one of those can go, too) troops protecting our borders, and a missle defense system in place, who do you think is knocking on the door, and what exactly are you afraid of them doing?
08-27-2007, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Frank, that's what I was saying.
ORLY? Who's going to be doing this wiping, and what kind of international paper do they use?
Yeah, I hate people who complain too. Here it is, we got this sketchy guy the UN has said they're gonna ---- up. The UN stays home, and we go to get him and his WMD. Ok. Now we've taken him out, and as much of a good job the military does, they can't leave until an Iraqi form of government is ready to take the wheel. Guess what, they aren't doing it, and they probably never will. How long does that lock us into Iraq Frank? No matter how well you do your job, we'll never leave. Is that our problem? No, that's why we tell them, git in where you fit in bitches.
Ok, well it's completely obvious the borders aren't being shut down anytime soon, so why would we be "protecting our future" half a world away with OUR FUCKEN BACK DOOR OPEN? lol. It doesn't make any damn sense, and until the back door is shut, we can't be running down the street to see what kinda ---- we can stir up there. The fucken 9/11 highjackers were right here in this country because the government didn't do it's job, not because they were masterminds. haha.
If we isolate ourselves, with a completely functioning FBI, CIA (I'm sure one of those can go, too) troops protecting our borders, and a missle defense system in place, who do you think is knocking on the door, and what exactly are you afraid of them doing?
ORLY? Who's going to be doing this wiping, and what kind of international paper do they use?
Yeah, I hate people who complain too. Here it is, we got this sketchy guy the UN has said they're gonna ---- up. The UN stays home, and we go to get him and his WMD. Ok. Now we've taken him out, and as much of a good job the military does, they can't leave until an Iraqi form of government is ready to take the wheel. Guess what, they aren't doing it, and they probably never will. How long does that lock us into Iraq Frank? No matter how well you do your job, we'll never leave. Is that our problem? No, that's why we tell them, git in where you fit in bitches.
Ok, well it's completely obvious the borders aren't being shut down anytime soon, so why would we be "protecting our future" half a world away with OUR FUCKEN BACK DOOR OPEN? lol. It doesn't make any damn sense, and until the back door is shut, we can't be running down the street to see what kinda ---- we can stir up there. The fucken 9/11 highjackers were right here in this country because the government didn't do it's job, not because they were masterminds. haha.
If we isolate ourselves, with a completely functioning FBI, CIA (I'm sure one of those can go, too) troops protecting our borders, and a missle defense system in place, who do you think is knocking on the door, and what exactly are you afraid of them doing?
we need to do both. not one or the other. dr paul is wrong about the war on terror.
08-27-2007, 01:47 AM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by rawr
Yeah, thats how most people argue. They have their own mildly formed opinion about a subject, someone tells them they're wrong, then the ego goes in overdrive. The people arguing lose their prospective, several side topics are brought up without any proper connection being made to the original subject and the original thesis of their argument is lost. It's a waste of energy to get into a quarrel like that.
Steve, as for the countries....heres my thoughts...
N. America: givin
Africa: I agree, do we serve a purpose there, not really. Leave.
Europe: well, look whats next to Europe. Ohh yeah, ive been there too. 100% statigic.
Asia: N. Korea, China.
We really don't have that many OCONUS (overseas) troops, as you think. Costly, sure...we are here though. We leave and its WWIII.
08-27-2007, 01:55 AM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by junkyard racer
Exactly what Rudy did for his city, while on the job. Facts on Dr. Paul? He didn't have to hack ---- off...
rawr, would you please just ------- edcuate yourself just a least slight bit before jumping into a arguement thats 10x's above your head. Your gonna be one of these dumb ***** who goes out the night before the election and find someone who sells you on one person and that will be your decision. And if your not gonna vote, just do us all a favor and STFU.
rawr, would you please just ------- edcuate yourself just a least slight bit before jumping into a arguement thats 10x's above your head. Your gonna be one of these dumb ***** who goes out the night before the election and find someone who sells you on one person and that will be your decision. And if your not gonna vote, just do us all a favor and STFU.
Originally Posted by junkyard racer
Im still wondering how Dr. Paul is the right choice for the nation? All points people have put edcuated posts into ive thought about, and posted my thoughts reguarding them. You call it a waste of energy (which you would), I call it debating and trying to learn something new. Read post #1.
08-27-2007, 02:04 AM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by random-strike
they will build up their power until they are able to knock on our door. this is obvious because IT HAS HAPPEND TWICE
The only reason why I would think another country would dislike us is because we've got our noses in everybodys ---- and they feel threatened, which I believe is the case with most of these countries. Unless what you're saying is the whole worlds purpose is to power grab everything possible. In that case I would nuke everyone except America and start over.
