Ron Paul.
08-27-2007, 12:40 AM
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I'm not gonna touch on everything simply because i'm not exactually as edcuated as you Steve. I don't sit at home and fumble through the internet or a TV show or a news paper 24/7 to see some fucktard bash what my wife and I do for a living and tell us what our military is doing for the country I call home, a bad thing. (though I do get time at 'work' such as now) reguardless...
Abortion. Tell you what, true story...when I was 16 I knocked a chic up. I was completly pro-life at the time, I knew I was a looser, had nothing going for me, no clue in life, I was 17 and about to be a Jr. in high school, she was 18 and going to be a senior, smart as ----, valadictorian of her class by a huge margin and knocked up by, yours truely. I went over to her house one day, she was home alone and crying. What happened, she aborted the baby. Was I pissed, sure, IMO she had murdered my kid. After all of these years, i'm pro-choice. From what I know of her, (though its been about 7 years since i've talked to her) she runs her own vet clinic and is very successful. That kid would have been brought into this world with 2 people who had no clue in life at the time, I would be working at Mc.Donalds, and I probably would be on every govt. program there is/was. At the time, it was the best thing. Pro-choice FTW.
Capitol punishment...what is the ratio of people who sit in prison there entire life, wrongfully? Facts on that?
IMO, its simple justice. Not for all...but for most, and yes, there is a blantient line that can be drawn.
The free trade/etc...this is why I asked these questions. I am not up to speed on that subject, I can't really speak on it. However, you take your oil line business to China/Phillipenes. You make more lines than you can pay yourself to do, you sit back, do paintmode 40hrs a week, also a cash paying job, you pay someone else (cash) to run the website and become the next SSAC. You sell them like candy to a 3yo, no one can tax you, its cash money. Your kids school tuition suddenly goes way up. You can't pay for your kid to go to school, the state doesn't aid, it has no money to do so. See how this is going...do I agree the tax should be huge....hell no! Should there be a tax...sure there should be.
The war on drugs, you speak so high on Mr. Paul. What has he done to impact the drug effort in his own state? Seems Rudy has made a nice impact in NY. So Mr Paul just says the hell with it
No income tax? Why, so people like myself and the people sitting next to me at the moment can't survive? So the gear (which reguardless of what the media says, has gotten better, dramatically) can't be improved? So we cant support ourselves? So people like you and your family can live in somewhat peace? This would have been a great idea many years ago...like I said, get into the 21st century. Govt programs, im all for them, if they are used in the right manner. Im sure there are plenty of people on this forum who also feel the same way...
Google the price of oil around the world. Quit your bitching. A gallon of gas in Japan would cost you about 450y a gallon. At todays yen rate, that would be almost $4usd a gallon. Wanna make the arguement 'the cost of living is much more in Japan', start doing the comparison. Gas is way more expensive here. Look at it elsewhere in the world. Do I agree with food for oil, no. Is it a bad thing, guess i'll look a little more into it.
Military base's around the world. Well, I live in Okinawa, Japan, a place thats highly on the defensive for the US and our allies. I've been to S. Korea, been on those bases as well. What do you think would happen if we just packed up and left this place, or S. Korea? Have you thought about how we support the economy here and elsewhere where there are military bases? I know for a fact, there would be no Okinawa if we left.
The same thing that will happen when we leave Iraq.
Am I hard core republican? No, I try to see both sides as well. Sometimes however, it just doesn't seem to click for me.
I also tend to see things on a different level.
Abortion. Tell you what, true story...when I was 16 I knocked a chic up. I was completly pro-life at the time, I knew I was a looser, had nothing going for me, no clue in life, I was 17 and about to be a Jr. in high school, she was 18 and going to be a senior, smart as ----, valadictorian of her class by a huge margin and knocked up by, yours truely. I went over to her house one day, she was home alone and crying. What happened, she aborted the baby. Was I pissed, sure, IMO she had murdered my kid. After all of these years, i'm pro-choice. From what I know of her, (though its been about 7 years since i've talked to her) she runs her own vet clinic and is very successful. That kid would have been brought into this world with 2 people who had no clue in life at the time, I would be working at Mc.Donalds, and I probably would be on every govt. program there is/was. At the time, it was the best thing. Pro-choice FTW.
Capitol punishment...what is the ratio of people who sit in prison there entire life, wrongfully? Facts on that?
IMO, its simple justice. Not for all...but for most, and yes, there is a blantient line that can be drawn.
The free trade/etc...this is why I asked these questions. I am not up to speed on that subject, I can't really speak on it. However, you take your oil line business to China/Phillipenes. You make more lines than you can pay yourself to do, you sit back, do paintmode 40hrs a week, also a cash paying job, you pay someone else (cash) to run the website and become the next SSAC. You sell them like candy to a 3yo, no one can tax you, its cash money. Your kids school tuition suddenly goes way up. You can't pay for your kid to go to school, the state doesn't aid, it has no money to do so. See how this is going...do I agree the tax should be huge....hell no! Should there be a tax...sure there should be.
The war on drugs, you speak so high on Mr. Paul. What has he done to impact the drug effort in his own state? Seems Rudy has made a nice impact in NY. So Mr Paul just says the hell with it
No income tax? Why, so people like myself and the people sitting next to me at the moment can't survive? So the gear (which reguardless of what the media says, has gotten better, dramatically) can't be improved? So we cant support ourselves? So people like you and your family can live in somewhat peace? This would have been a great idea many years ago...like I said, get into the 21st century. Govt programs, im all for them, if they are used in the right manner. Im sure there are plenty of people on this forum who also feel the same way...
Google the price of oil around the world. Quit your bitching. A gallon of gas in Japan would cost you about 450y a gallon. At todays yen rate, that would be almost $4usd a gallon. Wanna make the arguement 'the cost of living is much more in Japan', start doing the comparison. Gas is way more expensive here. Look at it elsewhere in the world. Do I agree with food for oil, no. Is it a bad thing, guess i'll look a little more into it.
Military base's around the world. Well, I live in Okinawa, Japan, a place thats highly on the defensive for the US and our allies. I've been to S. Korea, been on those bases as well. What do you think would happen if we just packed up and left this place, or S. Korea? Have you thought about how we support the economy here and elsewhere where there are military bases? I know for a fact, there would be no Okinawa if we left.
The same thing that will happen when we leave Iraq.
Am I hard core republican? No, I try to see both sides as well. Sometimes however, it just doesn't seem to click for me.
I also tend to see things on a different level.
08-27-2007, 12:49 AM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Frank, sitting in Japan tonight doesn't make us more or less vulnerable to anything. If we protect ourselves first, borders, CIA and FBI for international ----, local and state authorities deporting people, who's gonna touch us?
and your still getting your spoiler.
08-27-2007, 01:00 AM
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when he said food for oil he didnt mean that it was a bad thing he meant that the system was corrupt and people used it to funnel money into there pockets
is ron paul bashing you? or your wife? no he isnt.. hes just stating facts.. and fact is no matter how manny more years you stay in iraq its always going to be a cluster ---- its another vietnam.. and right now getting out of iraq is the best thing you can do.. attacks on troops have only increased.. meh
again he isnt anti abortion because hes a jesus freak.. simply for the fact that the constitution says you cant take away life..
and you say youd be on every government program there is.. welll ron paul would get rid of all those programs...
one of the first lessons i learned when i first heard of libertarianism is the prison guard labor union and lobby.. and how powerful it was.. and how they swayed california lawmakers to enact and keep the three strikes law to keep thousands of people in jail and enacted tougher marajuana and minor drug offense laws and put even more people in jail not because they were worried bout criminals or drugges but simply cause more people in jail meant more prisons needed to be built and more prison guards hired and more money for the prison guard labor union basically this was taking money from the people.. because people paid for all this via income taxes get rid of income taxes and the state/government will be more weary of how it spends its money
war on drugs is the biggest fallacy ever.. you cant compare war on drugs to fighting drugs in ny... nothing rudy learned in office will apply to war on drugs.. as i heard someone say before.. they cant even keep drugs out of PRISON.. how the hell do they expect to keep them out of this country
oil prices have been at 3 dollars a gallon here in the states and at its height here in detroit it sat at higher than 4 bucks a gallon for almost a month... 4 dollars a gallon isnt ----.. its alot higher in a ---- ton of other countries
rudy never said pack your ---- up and leave or bring our troops home as soon as hes elected.. he said as soon as its safe.. obviously if okinawa needs us there we would stay.. japan started getting the wheels in motion on not being a pacifict state anymore anyways.. sooner or later they will repeal theyre pacifist constitution and tell us to GTFO
is ron paul bashing you? or your wife? no he isnt.. hes just stating facts.. and fact is no matter how manny more years you stay in iraq its always going to be a cluster ---- its another vietnam.. and right now getting out of iraq is the best thing you can do.. attacks on troops have only increased.. meh
again he isnt anti abortion because hes a jesus freak.. simply for the fact that the constitution says you cant take away life..
and you say youd be on every government program there is.. welll ron paul would get rid of all those programs...
one of the first lessons i learned when i first heard of libertarianism is the prison guard labor union and lobby.. and how powerful it was.. and how they swayed california lawmakers to enact and keep the three strikes law to keep thousands of people in jail and enacted tougher marajuana and minor drug offense laws and put even more people in jail not because they were worried bout criminals or drugges but simply cause more people in jail meant more prisons needed to be built and more prison guards hired and more money for the prison guard labor union basically this was taking money from the people.. because people paid for all this via income taxes get rid of income taxes and the state/government will be more weary of how it spends its money
war on drugs is the biggest fallacy ever.. you cant compare war on drugs to fighting drugs in ny... nothing rudy learned in office will apply to war on drugs.. as i heard someone say before.. they cant even keep drugs out of PRISON.. how the hell do they expect to keep them out of this country
oil prices have been at 3 dollars a gallon here in the states and at its height here in detroit it sat at higher than 4 bucks a gallon for almost a month... 4 dollars a gallon isnt ----.. its alot higher in a ---- ton of other countries
rudy never said pack your ---- up and leave or bring our troops home as soon as hes elected.. he said as soon as its safe.. obviously if okinawa needs us there we would stay.. japan started getting the wheels in motion on not being a pacifict state anymore anyways.. sooner or later they will repeal theyre pacifist constitution and tell us to GTFO
08-27-2007, 01:08 AM
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Frank, an argument can be made against the death penalty, but the same science that proves a guy from the 70's didn't do it, is the same science that is putting bitches away today. You either support them for the rest of thier lives, or take a chance that you kill an innocent. I'd venture to say that most innocent people were proven innocent by science that wasn't available when they were convicted. That's an argument for the death penalty btw.
You can break down any situation you want, but the founders of the constitution would have never agreed to the US having taxpayers pay for international military bases. Again, we're either the owners of the whole world, or we're not. I would say we are not.
Frank, take the savings of not having military bases on every corner of the world, the defense budget for all of this garbage, and compare it to the federal income tax. It doesn't compare. A wasteful decision to put a military base somewhere it shouldn't be doesn't automatically make someone hate the military, or your job, or whatever else you percieve. It's a person calling something that shouldn't be there, wasteful. Our priority is America, not being in japan wasting money protecting someone elses' ***. That's not what the country was founded on.
You can break down any situation you want, but the founders of the constitution would have never agreed to the US having taxpayers pay for international military bases. Again, we're either the owners of the whole world, or we're not. I would say we are not.
Frank, take the savings of not having military bases on every corner of the world, the defense budget for all of this garbage, and compare it to the federal income tax. It doesn't compare. A wasteful decision to put a military base somewhere it shouldn't be doesn't automatically make someone hate the military, or your job, or whatever else you percieve. It's a person calling something that shouldn't be there, wasteful. Our priority is America, not being in japan wasting money protecting someone elses' ***. That's not what the country was founded on.
08-27-2007, 01:12 AM
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again buke, this is the 21st century. Thanks to the many many years past, most ---- that people depend on from the gov't is not because of whats gone on in the recent years, more like centuries of life. You end it, you bring hell.
08-27-2007, 01:16 AM
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I have no idea what you just said, but not all social safety nets would be axed. You'll never be able to do that. What I think Paul would do is to chop off all the bullshit ones (most of them) and make people realize that they need to depend on themselves instead of looking for government to cure every yeast infection they contract.
08-27-2007, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by junkyard racer
again buke, this is the 21st century. Thanks to the many many years past, most ---- that people depend on from the gov't is not because of whats gone on in the recent years, more like centuries of life. You end it, you bring hell.
08-27-2007, 01:21 AM
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I'm sure this is what we had in mind when the country was thought up. Frank, maybe you could identify each threat to each country listed. 
08-27-2007, 01:23 AM
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also
http://brillig.com/debt_clock/
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 27 Aug 2007 at 05:16:58 AM GMT is:
$ 8 , 9 8 4 , 9 4 1 , 3 9 4 , 1 9 3 . 0 9
The estimated population of the United States is 302,817,637
so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,671.13.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.44 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
http://brillig.com/debt_clock/
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 27 Aug 2007 at 05:16:58 AM GMT is:
$ 8 , 9 8 4 , 9 4 1 , 3 9 4 , 1 9 3 . 0 9
The estimated population of the United States is 302,817,637
so each citizen's share of this debt is $29,671.13.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.44 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
08-27-2007, 01:23 AM
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Frank, will you please read what you're arguing against before you try to formulate an argument. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but when you don't know what you arguing against, how are you supposed to take a coherent, valid stance?
