raptor 700r vs quadzilla
03-13-2008, 10:07 PM
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Re: raptor 700r vs quadzilla
Originally Posted by cornfuzed
dude you compared the fuji engine powered outlaw 500 vs a craptor 700, the fuji was junk i got a ktm 525 and stock it put down 56whp and 41tq (@ 9350rpm and 4450)
lets see proof of your sweet 525 making 15 more hp than everyone else's.
outlaws are not junk, but the rapt is faster in a drag and top speed and a superior trail quad and better in the sand.
the outlaw wins on a MX track with equal riders, until the rapt puts put springs/shocks and its a different story.
the raptor has the same suspension geometry as the yfz450... unless the yfz450 is junk too right
03-13-2008, 10:12 PM
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Re: raptor 700r vs quadzilla
Suspension:
Normally, the first thing we'd list in a test is the engine power, but the Raptor 700R's suspension stole the show. With what is one of the best stock suspensions we've ever felt, the newest Yamaha has a five-way preload-adjustable Kayaba suspension up front with a dual-rate spring and 9.1 inches of travel. The dual A-arms have aluminum upper tubes and steel lower tubes. The rear setup consists of a fully adjustable aluminum piggyback shock with 10.1 inches of travel and a one-piece cast-aluminum swingarm. The quad was comfortable for Miller, who's 6'4", and also for me, and I'm a foot shorter than he is. The suspension soaked up everything we threw it at-rocky hillclimbs, whooped-out trails, and small jumps. The Raptor never felt harsh and neither of us could bottom it out, even when we tried. The suspension is stable, which allows the rider to concentrate on the power of the machine and the terrain that lies ahead. We couldn't ask for more from a stock suspension.
Power:
Now let's talk power and speed. The Raptor 700R has a five-speed manual transmission, and the 686cc, fuel-injected engine's personality begs the rider to use that transmission-a lot. The 700R's powerplant likes to be short-shifted and produces most of its power in the mid-range. The power comes on buttery-smooth in first and second gear (thanks in large part to the Yamaha Fuel Injection system), making the quad feel tame for a big-bore. The mid-range has more grunt, but then the power falls off a bit in the top range. Is this the way Yamaha intended the power to roll? We were expecting, and we're sure most sport enthusiasts will feel the same way, a bigger hit in the low range and more snap up top in the power band. But that doesn't mean that this engine is boring. What it means is that a casual rider who's not looking to have his arms pulled out of socket when he hits the throttle will enjoy this bike.
"People who haven't ridden larger cc bikes, they think it's going to have too much power and they're going to get out of control, but this quad is easy to ride," Miller noted. "Instead of getting you in trouble, the power gets you out of trouble. If you're climbing a hill and maybe you didn't have enough momentum to get up it, the bike has enough power to compensate for that. You can use the power to your advantage."
And for probably half the riders who buy the Raptor 700R, the power will be perfect. For the other half, the power-mad half (that includes us), changing the pipe and perhaps upgrading the air filter or removing the airbox lid, we're convinced, will wake up this sleeping dragon. And the best part is that if you do change the pipe, the Yamaha Fuel Injection system will make the necessary adjustments, so no power commander will be needed (though if you really want to get the most out of the pipe, installing a power commander is a good idea).
As we tested the machine, we realized that it's faster than it feels. Because the quad is so comfortable, with the smooth suspension and roomy ergonomics, it seemed like we were going slow, when in reality, we were flying. All it took were some unexpected turns popping up in the trail for us to realize that the Raptor's speed can be deceiving.
Braking:
Okay, so we were speeding down the trails faster than it felt like we were going. The power is like a ninja-it jumps out at you before you realize it's there. So, how does the stopping power stack up to the engine power? The front hydraulic discs with their YFZ-type twin piston front calipers bit hard and strong. Most of the stopping power lay in the power of the right-hand lever, which we could spur into action with one finger. The rear brake left a little to be desired. We feel the lever needs to be raised up, which is an easy adjustment, for a more positive braking feel without having to completely depress the lever past the footpeg.
Transmission:
The five-speed transmission, as we stated in the power category, likes to be used. The gearing was good-not too tall, not too short-and neutral was easy to find (but not too easy-we never hit neutral while shifting into second). We were impressed with the Raptor's reverse gear, able to shift into reverse and back out on the first try, every time. The Yamaha Fuel Injection kept the bike running flawlessly and worked well with the transmission. Case in point: We couldn't stall the bike, even when we completely let out the clutch and didn't have our thumb on the throttle. At one point, Miller was idling down the trail with his hands off the bars-the quad didn't stall. That's not something you see everyday.
Traction:
The Raptor 700R is fitted with front and rear Dunlop radial tires. The tires are great all-around tires, and will suit most types of terrain. The tread pattern of the rubber isn't very aggressive, though. The terrain in which we tested the quad had mostly loose, dusty, high-desert-type soil, which is one of the few places these tires didn't quite hold. A few times, the quad slid instead of hooking up, and the back end of the Raptor broke loose. That's when we realized we were going faster than we had originally thought, and also when we blew through a few corners.
Ergonomics:
The 700R felt wide and long, though it's not any longer or wider than most quads. It's stable, comfortable, and its low center of gravity made us feel invincible. "Comparing the old Raptor to the new one is like comparing apples to oranges-completely different," Miller said. "The old Raptor felt tippy and tall-you'd go through corners and it would want to two-wheel. The 700R doesn't do that at all." The seat is plush, which was a nice surprise, since a lot of sport quad seats feel like the equivalent of a two-by-four with vinyl over it. Seat height and handlebar positioning complimented each other and made the riding experience about the power and the fun, not about trying to reach for the controls. Both of us felt perfectly at home on the 700R.
Overall Impression:
The Raptor 700R is a winner. The whole family (as long as the kids are 16 or older) will love this quad. We think it's one of the best stock ATVs we've ever ridden. The suspension deserves a blue ribbon and the engine is unassuming but powerful and can be made into a beast. We have a feeling that we're going to see a lot of modified 700Rs in the sand dunes, in desert races, and on the drag strip. One of our only gripes about the quad is its front bumper. If you get stuck and need to lift the front end, the small, narrow bumper isn't much of a help. Also, the bumper is mounted so that if you damage the frame near the front end, it will be impossible to install a new bumper. But that's our only real complaint about the Raptor 700R.
Combine the machine's friendly characteristics, such as its ergonomics, fuel injection, and transmission, with the show-stopping looks, and you've got a Yamaha that you'll be proud to load up in the back or your truck-even if you're not going riding, you'll want to haul it around to show it off.
If You're a Trail Rider:
The Raptor 700R is fun. Its smooth powerband and plush suspension will keep you in the saddle for hours, and it can carve the trails and the dunes with ease. Throttle response is predictable, and the thumb effort to push the throttle is light. To really enjoy recreational riding with the Raptor, we can't think of anything we'd change on the quad. It's great for new riders, because even though there's a lot of power in the engine, the power is gradual and confidence inspiring. Veteran play riders will love to shift the transmission to get the most out of the mid-range powerband and to really kick up some dust.
If You're a Racer:
For a racer, there are some changes that need to be made to the Raptor to get it up to par. First of all, the engine is restricted in the stock form-there's plenty of power hidden away in that 686cc monster, it just needs to be found. To wake it up, a new pipe is a necessity, and opening the airbox will get more power to the engine. You'll also notice that in order to go really fast, you'll have to shift more than normal. The tires are something a race-minded rider will certainly want to change. The tires work well for casual riding, but aren't aggressive enough for the push a racer will put on them.
Normally, the first thing we'd list in a test is the engine power, but the Raptor 700R's suspension stole the show. With what is one of the best stock suspensions we've ever felt, the newest Yamaha has a five-way preload-adjustable Kayaba suspension up front with a dual-rate spring and 9.1 inches of travel. The dual A-arms have aluminum upper tubes and steel lower tubes. The rear setup consists of a fully adjustable aluminum piggyback shock with 10.1 inches of travel and a one-piece cast-aluminum swingarm. The quad was comfortable for Miller, who's 6'4", and also for me, and I'm a foot shorter than he is. The suspension soaked up everything we threw it at-rocky hillclimbs, whooped-out trails, and small jumps. The Raptor never felt harsh and neither of us could bottom it out, even when we tried. The suspension is stable, which allows the rider to concentrate on the power of the machine and the terrain that lies ahead. We couldn't ask for more from a stock suspension.
Power:
Now let's talk power and speed. The Raptor 700R has a five-speed manual transmission, and the 686cc, fuel-injected engine's personality begs the rider to use that transmission-a lot. The 700R's powerplant likes to be short-shifted and produces most of its power in the mid-range. The power comes on buttery-smooth in first and second gear (thanks in large part to the Yamaha Fuel Injection system), making the quad feel tame for a big-bore. The mid-range has more grunt, but then the power falls off a bit in the top range. Is this the way Yamaha intended the power to roll? We were expecting, and we're sure most sport enthusiasts will feel the same way, a bigger hit in the low range and more snap up top in the power band. But that doesn't mean that this engine is boring. What it means is that a casual rider who's not looking to have his arms pulled out of socket when he hits the throttle will enjoy this bike.
"People who haven't ridden larger cc bikes, they think it's going to have too much power and they're going to get out of control, but this quad is easy to ride," Miller noted. "Instead of getting you in trouble, the power gets you out of trouble. If you're climbing a hill and maybe you didn't have enough momentum to get up it, the bike has enough power to compensate for that. You can use the power to your advantage."
And for probably half the riders who buy the Raptor 700R, the power will be perfect. For the other half, the power-mad half (that includes us), changing the pipe and perhaps upgrading the air filter or removing the airbox lid, we're convinced, will wake up this sleeping dragon. And the best part is that if you do change the pipe, the Yamaha Fuel Injection system will make the necessary adjustments, so no power commander will be needed (though if you really want to get the most out of the pipe, installing a power commander is a good idea).
As we tested the machine, we realized that it's faster than it feels. Because the quad is so comfortable, with the smooth suspension and roomy ergonomics, it seemed like we were going slow, when in reality, we were flying. All it took were some unexpected turns popping up in the trail for us to realize that the Raptor's speed can be deceiving.
Braking:
Okay, so we were speeding down the trails faster than it felt like we were going. The power is like a ninja-it jumps out at you before you realize it's there. So, how does the stopping power stack up to the engine power? The front hydraulic discs with their YFZ-type twin piston front calipers bit hard and strong. Most of the stopping power lay in the power of the right-hand lever, which we could spur into action with one finger. The rear brake left a little to be desired. We feel the lever needs to be raised up, which is an easy adjustment, for a more positive braking feel without having to completely depress the lever past the footpeg.
Transmission:
The five-speed transmission, as we stated in the power category, likes to be used. The gearing was good-not too tall, not too short-and neutral was easy to find (but not too easy-we never hit neutral while shifting into second). We were impressed with the Raptor's reverse gear, able to shift into reverse and back out on the first try, every time. The Yamaha Fuel Injection kept the bike running flawlessly and worked well with the transmission. Case in point: We couldn't stall the bike, even when we completely let out the clutch and didn't have our thumb on the throttle. At one point, Miller was idling down the trail with his hands off the bars-the quad didn't stall. That's not something you see everyday.
Traction:
The Raptor 700R is fitted with front and rear Dunlop radial tires. The tires are great all-around tires, and will suit most types of terrain. The tread pattern of the rubber isn't very aggressive, though. The terrain in which we tested the quad had mostly loose, dusty, high-desert-type soil, which is one of the few places these tires didn't quite hold. A few times, the quad slid instead of hooking up, and the back end of the Raptor broke loose. That's when we realized we were going faster than we had originally thought, and also when we blew through a few corners.
Ergonomics:
The 700R felt wide and long, though it's not any longer or wider than most quads. It's stable, comfortable, and its low center of gravity made us feel invincible. "Comparing the old Raptor to the new one is like comparing apples to oranges-completely different," Miller said. "The old Raptor felt tippy and tall-you'd go through corners and it would want to two-wheel. The 700R doesn't do that at all." The seat is plush, which was a nice surprise, since a lot of sport quad seats feel like the equivalent of a two-by-four with vinyl over it. Seat height and handlebar positioning complimented each other and made the riding experience about the power and the fun, not about trying to reach for the controls. Both of us felt perfectly at home on the 700R.
Overall Impression:
The Raptor 700R is a winner. The whole family (as long as the kids are 16 or older) will love this quad. We think it's one of the best stock ATVs we've ever ridden. The suspension deserves a blue ribbon and the engine is unassuming but powerful and can be made into a beast. We have a feeling that we're going to see a lot of modified 700Rs in the sand dunes, in desert races, and on the drag strip. One of our only gripes about the quad is its front bumper. If you get stuck and need to lift the front end, the small, narrow bumper isn't much of a help. Also, the bumper is mounted so that if you damage the frame near the front end, it will be impossible to install a new bumper. But that's our only real complaint about the Raptor 700R.
Combine the machine's friendly characteristics, such as its ergonomics, fuel injection, and transmission, with the show-stopping looks, and you've got a Yamaha that you'll be proud to load up in the back or your truck-even if you're not going riding, you'll want to haul it around to show it off.
If You're a Trail Rider:
The Raptor 700R is fun. Its smooth powerband and plush suspension will keep you in the saddle for hours, and it can carve the trails and the dunes with ease. Throttle response is predictable, and the thumb effort to push the throttle is light. To really enjoy recreational riding with the Raptor, we can't think of anything we'd change on the quad. It's great for new riders, because even though there's a lot of power in the engine, the power is gradual and confidence inspiring. Veteran play riders will love to shift the transmission to get the most out of the mid-range powerband and to really kick up some dust.
If You're a Racer:
For a racer, there are some changes that need to be made to the Raptor to get it up to par. First of all, the engine is restricted in the stock form-there's plenty of power hidden away in that 686cc monster, it just needs to be found. To wake it up, a new pipe is a necessity, and opening the airbox will get more power to the engine. You'll also notice that in order to go really fast, you'll have to shift more than normal. The tires are something a race-minded rider will certainly want to change. The tires work well for casual riding, but aren't aggressive enough for the push a racer will put on them.
03-13-2008, 11:01 PM
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Re: raptor 700r vs quadzilla
http://www.leechvideo.com/video/view800670.html
here is a stock 525 eating a yfz450 with a 480 kitted engine, witch you already admitted a yfz450 would beat a 700r and if the yfz can beat the 700r and he outlaw can beat the yfz what dose that tell you? especially when you realize the yfz has a 480kit and i am almost sure it would also have pipe and filter
http://www.yfztech.com/forum/uploads...1172544821.jpg
stock yz450f vs yz450f with 480 kit
is that evidance enough?
here is a stock 525 eating a yfz450 with a 480 kitted engine, witch you already admitted a yfz450 would beat a 700r and if the yfz can beat the 700r and he outlaw can beat the yfz what dose that tell you? especially when you realize the yfz has a 480kit and i am almost sure it would also have pipe and filter
http://www.yfztech.com/forum/uploads...1172544821.jpg
stock yz450f vs yz450f with 480 kit
is that evidance enough?
03-13-2008, 11:20 PM
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Re: raptor 700r vs quadzilla
Originally Posted by cornfuzed
http://www.leechvideo.com/video/view800670.html
here is a stock 525 eating a yfz450 with a 480 kitted engine, witch you already admitted a yfz450 would beat a 700r and if the yfz can beat the 700r and he outlaw can beat the yfz what dose that tell you? especially when you realize the yfz has a 480kit and i am almost sure it would also have pipe and filter
http://www.yfztech.com/forum/uploads...1172544821.jpg
stock yz450f vs yz450f with 480 kit
is that evidance enough?
here is a stock 525 eating a yfz450 with a 480 kitted engine, witch you already admitted a yfz450 would beat a 700r and if the yfz can beat the 700r and he outlaw can beat the yfz what dose that tell you? especially when you realize the yfz has a 480kit and i am almost sure it would also have pipe and filter
http://www.yfztech.com/forum/uploads...1172544821.jpg
stock yz450f vs yz450f with 480 kit
is that evidance enough?
you are a complete and utter CLOWN.
where do you live? i will destory you on my rapt anytime you want to lose.
prove your quad can do anything, get a video of you at the dyno, get a video of you beating anything. do something other than spout off about how your stock outlaw 525 has 56whp
03-13-2008, 11:37 PM
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03-13-2008, 11:50 PM
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Re: raptor 700r vs quadzilla
Originally Posted by random-strike
some idiot says his quad is modified and its not. do you actually believe that yfz was 56hp at the wheels? and it lost to a outlaw that has less than 40 at the wheels? oh wait, is that what you base your idiotic claims on?
you are a complete and utter CLOWN.
where do you live? i will destory you on my rapt anytime you want to lose.
prove your quad can do anything, get a video of you at the dyno, get a video of you beating anything. do something other than spout off about how your stock outlaw 525 has 56whp
you are a complete and utter CLOWN.
where do you live? i will destory you on my rapt anytime you want to lose.
prove your quad can do anything, get a video of you at the dyno, get a video of you beating anything. do something other than spout off about how your stock outlaw 525 has 56whp
go stick your chode in the exhaust already you know you want to
oh and just because you paid 8k for a quad dosen't mean it's the best there is, plain and simple
and no just because it's yours dosen't mean it's better either
now i have raced atleast a dozen different 700r's and beat all but 1 (i had a 13:1 piston cam so tall it sounded like a big block chevy trying to idle and ran on vp103, he said it dynoed at 67whp and was built for the 1/8th mile with an extended swinger and street tires, in the 200ft drag he beet my by 10lengths)
i have also run agains about 4-5 660's and beat all but 1 (it had an r6 engine i had it untill i hit 4th gear and he hit the powerband in 1st (was geared so tall it did almost 80 in 1st) and i really don't think i need to elaborate on how bad i got beat from there
i have also ran against numorus yfz's and beat about half (tho i didn't drag against them it was in a mx track and i think my loosing had somthing to do with the fact i only had the quad for about a week at the time and it's not a full race quad, it was a fair race they were just better riders)\
plus i have said it before you can't compare an outlaw 525s and craptor 700r they are like apples and dog ----
that is like comparing an 1800lbs 300hp civic and a 3600lbs 600hp chevelle it's all circumstancial
but stock for stock (just like a 197hp civic si and a 205hp 305tpi firebird the lighter and higher revving civic will win everytime, but in stock from like i said the 700r has more potential just by virtue of displacement but were not talking about somthing that has been custom built or could be custom built were talking oem)
03-13-2008, 11:54 PM
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Re: raptor 700r vs quadzilla
prove your idiotic claims.
everyone else in this world with a outlaw 525 must not know how ride it huh.
only quads with streetbike motors in them have beat your stock outlaw with 56whp right.
you're a ------- moron at best.
where do you live homo? want to race my raptor? i keep asking you keep not answering. lets race, i'll video tape it, make you look stupid, then post it here for everyone to see.
i know you're full of ----... its pretty obvious...
everyone else in this world with a outlaw 525 must not know how ride it huh.
only quads with streetbike motors in them have beat your stock outlaw with 56whp right.
you're a ------- moron at best.
where do you live homo? want to race my raptor? i keep asking you keep not answering. lets race, i'll video tape it, make you look stupid, then post it here for everyone to see.
i know you're full of ----... its pretty obvious...
03-14-2008, 12:02 AM
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Re: raptor 700r vs quadzilla
randon shut up i have had go kart what would eat your quad for lunch five time before you hit 2nd and who gives a ---- about your raptor whp and you graphs both of you are fighting over kids ---- why do i say thi cause i did it in fourth grade 23+ yrs ago
