Question for you Mustang people...
#21
Re: Question for you Mustang people...
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
Originally Posted by Snafubmx234
Hell, even for that much work, 5.0 stangs are not expensive at all.
$7000 for a bone stock 93 GT Black/black with unknown miles. I hate this town.....
It's hard to find them in "decent" condition. I've found them for ~$2500ish, but they are fucked up.
#22
Re: Question for you Mustang people...
Originally Posted by rawr
even the like 94's with the 5.0's can be had for about 2400. with low miles.
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#23
Re: Question for you Mustang people...
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
Originally Posted by rawr
even the like 94's with the 5.0's can be had for about 2400. with low miles.
There's alot more to do than just swap motor's and trannies. The rear end on the v6's is smaller (7.5 or some ----) and the v8's come with the 8.8 rear end.
IMO, if you buy the v6, leave the v6 motor in it and turbo it. There's a guy running TT's on the stock v6 motor running low 12's or something, not too shabby for a automatic v6....
#24
Re: Question for you Mustang people...
I dunno, if I'm going to drive a "muscle car" I want a "muscle car". No sissy *** V6 for me....I don't care what it's capable of with how many turbos. It's still a V6 with a weaker rear-end and tranny, right?
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#25
Re: Question for you Mustang people...
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
Originally Posted by rawr
even the like 94's with the 5.0's can be had for about 2400. with low miles.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...=en&cardist=20
theres not many cheep ones in there right now. but im sure theres a few in the paper. everyone on autotrader wants an arm and a leg for there ----. like dumbasses wanting 2500 for standard ed6 haches
#27
Re: Question for you Mustang people...
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
I dunno, if I'm going to drive a "muscle car" I want a "muscle car". No sissy *** V6 for me....I don't care what it's capable of with how many turbos. It's still a V6 with a weaker rear-end and tranny, right?
Exactly. Driving a V6 Mustang is just dumb. If I wanted to keep playing around with small motors that costs alot of money for little gains than I'd just keep my Honda. I know you can get a 86' Mustang for cheap but thats not what I'm looking for. I want a nice looking car that is also fast. When you start going fast ---- starts breaking anyways so I'd probably eventually end up changing the stock rear, stock suspension and all that other ----. I'm going to start adding up the costs of parts to see if its worth it. The stock blocks split apart at only 500hp and thats just gay
Also this thread reminds me of when people come looking for EG's and everyone responds with "well I can get them for $37.75"
#28
Re: Question for you Mustang people...
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
I dunno, if I'm going to drive a "muscle car" I want a "muscle car". No sissy *** V6 for me....I don't care what it's capable of with how many turbos. It's still a V6 with a weaker rear-end and tranny, right?
i don't know how far you are from cali, but it might be worth it for you to check out a few around here. right after i bought mine, i found a 94 gt 5spd with 110k on it for $3700. like i said before, out here, they are a dime a dozen. kinda like the civic of the domestic world...
#29
Re: Question for you Mustang people...
Originally Posted by Whitey
Also this thread reminds me of when people come looking for EG's and everyone responds with "well I can get them for $37.75"
#30
Re: Question for you Mustang people...
Damn, so much misgiven info I not sure where to start.
if I were new to the Mustang game, I wouldn't even look into a pushrod motor. I'd jump straighjt into a modular. Mods are actually cheaper to build and a hell of a lot stronger to start with. to build a 800 plus cpapble Modular (4.6/5.4) all youy need are Rods and pistons. The Block is fine (---- four bolt mains,,,,,,,Try 6!! )
The crank is fine (and you could always drop in a Cobra crank if you needed extra insurance for 1000 hp ) The heads can be ported (hell, most running the Navi 5.4 heads are factory stock and flow well into the 1200 HP level) but it's really not a must do. The powder rods and the hyper pistons are the only weak links in the Mod motors. hell, the 03/04 Cobra has Manley H-Beam rods, Forged Pistons and the above mentioned block and 4 cams! it's really built to handle well into the 800 HP range from the factory.
To get those same power levels with a pushrod, you need an aftermarket block, rods, crank, pistons, heads, valve train and cam. Easily into the 7 large range and that's finding deals on used stuff!
On the V6 not being a strong/powerful motor. bull, it's built better then it's big cousin the 5.0! The block doesn't split in the 500 hp range as the 5.0 does. It's crank won't walk like a 5.0 does and the heads are already a decent set of aluminum units. Properly ported with larger valves and they're flowing quite well.
Put boost to the V6 and it handles it well. Case in point, the 3.8 in my brothers 95 SuperCoupe. Stock block, ported stock heads with big valves, stock cam, Mac Long tube Headers from a V-6 Mustang modified (cut, rotated, re-welded) to fit the t-Bird chasis, and the stock Eaton Charger with a 10% pulley. The little 3.8 put down 340HP and hold onto your little 1,8's..........................412TQ!
Now the drawback to the 3.8 are parts are either un-available or crazy high! We have the motor out and fresh from the machine shop right now. Finding a set of forged pistons off the shelf is not possible. they don't exist. Had tp have a set made by Ross ($740 for 6 pistons) the 95 had full floating rods and one of his got chewed uo (which is why we re-built it) Trying to find one of those almost made us scrap the whole damn thing (giot lucky and found a dealer that sold us the last 4 he had. Only needed one, but bought them all just in case!). Those are just a few of the issues (clevite must of had a drunk guy on the CNC machine the day they did a run of 3.8 bearings, the thrust bearing for everyone of the boxes we opened in the parts store was incorrect! So now we're looking for some damn main and rod bearings!) that would make me not build another performance 3.8
Hell, the motor of choice for power and affordablity in the ford camp is actually the 2.3T. the block, crank, rods are all good well intro the 400 hp range stock. The head has issues with cracking (they all do, but we run them wit hthe cracks just fine) but they still flow well with mild port work, big valves and some bowl work. Parts are plentiful (tons of 2.3's out there) mods are easy (any car starting off with a turbo is usually easy to mod) and the motor doesn't need a ton of high dollar parts to make it strong enough to handle 10 second power!
Hoipe this helps I'll exit my Soap box now
if I were new to the Mustang game, I wouldn't even look into a pushrod motor. I'd jump straighjt into a modular. Mods are actually cheaper to build and a hell of a lot stronger to start with. to build a 800 plus cpapble Modular (4.6/5.4) all youy need are Rods and pistons. The Block is fine (---- four bolt mains,,,,,,,Try 6!! )
The crank is fine (and you could always drop in a Cobra crank if you needed extra insurance for 1000 hp ) The heads can be ported (hell, most running the Navi 5.4 heads are factory stock and flow well into the 1200 HP level) but it's really not a must do. The powder rods and the hyper pistons are the only weak links in the Mod motors. hell, the 03/04 Cobra has Manley H-Beam rods, Forged Pistons and the above mentioned block and 4 cams! it's really built to handle well into the 800 HP range from the factory.
To get those same power levels with a pushrod, you need an aftermarket block, rods, crank, pistons, heads, valve train and cam. Easily into the 7 large range and that's finding deals on used stuff!
On the V6 not being a strong/powerful motor. bull, it's built better then it's big cousin the 5.0! The block doesn't split in the 500 hp range as the 5.0 does. It's crank won't walk like a 5.0 does and the heads are already a decent set of aluminum units. Properly ported with larger valves and they're flowing quite well.
Put boost to the V6 and it handles it well. Case in point, the 3.8 in my brothers 95 SuperCoupe. Stock block, ported stock heads with big valves, stock cam, Mac Long tube Headers from a V-6 Mustang modified (cut, rotated, re-welded) to fit the t-Bird chasis, and the stock Eaton Charger with a 10% pulley. The little 3.8 put down 340HP and hold onto your little 1,8's..........................412TQ!
Now the drawback to the 3.8 are parts are either un-available or crazy high! We have the motor out and fresh from the machine shop right now. Finding a set of forged pistons off the shelf is not possible. they don't exist. Had tp have a set made by Ross ($740 for 6 pistons) the 95 had full floating rods and one of his got chewed uo (which is why we re-built it) Trying to find one of those almost made us scrap the whole damn thing (giot lucky and found a dealer that sold us the last 4 he had. Only needed one, but bought them all just in case!). Those are just a few of the issues (clevite must of had a drunk guy on the CNC machine the day they did a run of 3.8 bearings, the thrust bearing for everyone of the boxes we opened in the parts store was incorrect! So now we're looking for some damn main and rod bearings!) that would make me not build another performance 3.8
Hell, the motor of choice for power and affordablity in the ford camp is actually the 2.3T. the block, crank, rods are all good well intro the 400 hp range stock. The head has issues with cracking (they all do, but we run them wit hthe cracks just fine) but they still flow well with mild port work, big valves and some bowl work. Parts are plentiful (tons of 2.3's out there) mods are easy (any car starting off with a turbo is usually easy to mod) and the motor doesn't need a ton of high dollar parts to make it strong enough to handle 10 second power!
Hoipe this helps I'll exit my Soap box now