jinxy

Here's the problem, I know how economics works and im not sugesting distributing wealth. Im sugesting abolishing wealth all together. Using Our land, our labor, our means of production in a colectiveist way, a way to take care of the well being of everyone whos willing to work, rather than like some untaped resource thats open and ready to be milked like a cow by some peole who feel like taking advantage of the situation.

I'm not talking about raising taxes to pay for X or helping some crackhead homeless guy by tossing him checks. I'm not talking about rasing minimum wage. I was just recently screwed by that and went from making a few dollars above minimum wage to now making 50 cents above it, the price of everything went up, unproportionaly due to companies overestamating costs so they dont lose out on those first quarter profits and not rasing anyones wage accordingly, so now they have a full staff of minimum wage employees. Awesome deal for them.



The value of any fiat money is based off how hard people are willing to work for it, that's it, plain and simple.


People here, and where buk lives used to mainly worked at factories. Building your cars, your tv's your radios, your airplanes, your computers, everything. These used to be nice areas until they were destroyed by suply side economics in the reagon era (biggest bullshit lie in the world) We had a system set up like supply side economics before, and its what was oen of the main leading causes of the great depression. Supply side economics alowed corporations like GM, wal-mart and several other corporations to operate on a multinational globalist level. Alowed them to run relativly tax free with the ideology that the wealth would trickle down by means of local investment and businesses starting up. That's not how capitalism works and thats been known for hundreds of years. What did happen is once the companies saw the profits from the low tax era they decided to move their base of operations to an area where they didn't need to spend as much for labor, mostly over seas, futher increasing their profitability

There might be help wanted signs everywhere in washington, but here you have to turn in 19 applications for a skilled trade job you're qualified for, hope to catch that job and make 10 dollars an hour. If that fails you're pretty much stuck working at the ------- gas station for 7~ an hour or cooking in a resturant. I flip hamburgers and people here think i have a "really good job for a college kid" because I'm making 7.50 an hour busting *** 30 hours a week in a kitchen because polaris cut the dealership I worked at as a mechanic line of credit because "This isn't an economicly desireable area to sell recreational vehicles in" Plenty of people here raise familys off minimum wage, not because they dont have the ability to work and dont want to hold decent jobs, but because there are no decent jobs anymore.

We already had a system that worked, it was like a waste gate for society. When the economy started overprospering the rich had to pay higher taxes than normal, the goverment set it aside. When the economy came into a recession, the goverment spent on public works projects like the highway system, funded research, created jobs to put buying power back in the pockets of its citizens. Its the economic plan that pulled this country out of the great depression, called keynesian economics. Which is still a pile of ---- because any capitalist country has to exploit colonies or off shore markets to be able to maintain its "standard of living".

ososlohatch

go suck micheal moore's fat suasage you ****** ------- liberal, you are against the governement = (communist)

E-b0la

I liked Bill clinton, I think the country was in good shape when he was in office. Hillary? I wouldn't vote for her. And, "no offense to anyone" I don't think America is ready for a black president, especially one with "Hussien" as his middle name. The Republicans lost my respect. We left the country to them for 6 years here and look what happened? we have a huge deficiet, were in the middle of a war we shouldn't be in with NO exit strategy, the gap between the rich and poor is widening, and overall lots of american arn't satisfied with what's happening.

The only problem I see, is getting everyone to agree on one solution. Most people will agree times have been better. But most people won't agree on HOW we can get back there, who we should vote for, what policies we should support.

The bottom line? America needs some serious change. The middle class is starting to disintegrate. Take ten years ago for instance, My parents and alot of people I know had good paying, skilled jobs. My dad was a CNC operater at a local manufacturing plant. He had no college degree or anything, just his highschool degree because that was all you needed back then. People could get good jobs out of highschool, or with a little bit of trade school education, people didn't need 4 year degrees just to make 40,000 a year. That's what I want to see again. Now? That plant and several others closed doors and either shut down, or went to the ------- ******. Did anyone other than the workers care that those jobs went to china? Hell no.

Now, My family is more ***** to the wall than before. We still get by alright, but we were much more comfortable before than now. Especially with me in college now.

MikeJ-2009

That's just you're perception, and I can't help how high you regard me in your mind. It's not that hard to view others as successful when you're stuck working and living in the same hotel everyday. Get out more often and maybe the gloomy hotel won't get to you so much.



Your whole post could have been copy and pasted from any cnn story. The middle class didn't go anywhere, it's just that the importing of 12 million poor people along with our own poor people having babies like rabbits, the middle class is going to appear to be these people, when they aren't.
Unemployment rates are at crazy low rates, people are making more now than they were before, but if you'd like to take the new medias lead in being unhappy, at least see what's actually happening. "I don't like Bush", cause 8 months into his term we had the biggest attack on our economy there ever was, but you forgot to mention that, and so do alot of people, because THEY DON'T REMEMBER. lol

Attack, and 6 years later look at the booming economy, the low gas prices (won't hear the media say ---- about that), and the lowest unemployment in a long time. Yes, the defecit is high, but listen to your media tell you "our kids and grandkids will have to pay for this war", and it makes me ask you TODAY, what was the problem again?

bluerex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberta...United_States)

"In the United States and other English-speaking countries, libertarianism is a political philosophy maintaining that every person is the absolute owner of his or her own life and should be free to do whatever he or she wishes with his or her person or property, as long as he or she respects the liberty of others."

You are correct, I am against the government.


You are a white ------.

ososlohatch

you dont respect the liberties of other's you ------- liberal handjob, just keep bitching like a typical libera. you want everyone to be equal and free yet you go around calling other people ------s. makes sense! l

MikeJ-2009

Add that people should take responsibility for themselves and make it illegal for the government to extort money from successful people and give it to them, and I'm all for it.

The funny thing to me is, as a kid everyone told you that you could do anything you want to, and become as successful as you want to. Then when somebody does it, they're heavily taxed (punished) for doing so. Not a very exciting reason to be all you can be. Instead we have people whining about how oil companies get tax breaks, while paying 41 Billion dollars in taxes in one year. I don't see any tax breaks there. How much did you pay in taxes last year?

ososlohatch

around 41 billion

jinxy

exploit and control all you can

J-SMITH69

sounds like socialisim/communism