Reddy

Alright Alright I'm going to end all this bullshit about there not being a God right now. Fine, I confess there is a God and its me. There, is everybody happy now. Now that the cats out of the bag can everybody stop bitching to me about your problems cause I'm too old and too rich to give a ----.


Please make more donations to your church or burn in hell.

Breaker84

But there is such thing as air and it's evident, because it takes up space.

Reddy

Religion was created to explain things that people didn't understand. Religion was than used to create order in society. By making people feel guilty and having them believe that good deeds will get rewarded when you die creates an order in society.






Pi is a number that doesn't end becuase it describes a circle. Pi is simply a unit of measurement. A circle does end it just repeats itself. You can determine the circumfrence of a circle and that will tell you from a point where that circle ends. There's a difference between a circle and a cycle. I can explain how a turbo works becuase of science, its a simple Brayton Cycle. I can explain how an engine works becuase of science, its a simple Otto Cycle.


The only thing that doesn't go in a cycle is Entropy. This is something that can never be reversed. Its the only thing that we know of that goes in one direction. In order for entropy to be reversed, the universe would have to collapse on itself, and without entropy life wouldn't exist.


As you can tell I believe in science and science can be used to explain many things. There definitely is an afterlife becuase energy can neither be created nor destroyed so something happens. If you want to know what happens, go kill yourself and find out. I believe you go to another dimension. Yeah it sounds funny but its more mathematically possible than there being a God. What I'm talking about is the String Theory which says the universe is a series of membranes (dimensions) If you really want to blow your mind and think a little bit differently, do a search on String Theory. Once its proven true, It'll be the biggest discovery in history.



Sorry for the long post which nobody will probably read but this is what I think.

Spenser

there is too much to read here, and since it's about the matrix i don't care to read it, you all need to get girlfriends.

Breaker84

It's difficult to do sometimes but I believe in both science and god, they can be corelated. Maybe God is a strong concentration of sentient energy

Reddy

Spenser, you wish you get as much ----- as I do. Look who's talking, its a Saturday night that your spending in front of your computer. The only reason I'm here is becuase I have finals on Monday, whats your excuse besides you live in Canada?

Breaker84

You can go ahead and suck on an extremely large *****. If you don't care to read it, then uuuhhhhh.... don't read it!

lonny

there are many things that can't be proven and many diseases that can't be cured. one thing that can never be taken from us is our beliefs. i can beleive in god , and you can make up ---- about a circle. i personally dont have any doubts ive thought logically for years and came to my conclusion. and thats what i would advise everyone to do.

the watowski brothers made a kick *** movie. it took them forever to pack it with that much symbolism. i remember the first movie a long time ago. i think their main goal was to help everbody wise up to their actions. causality, psycology, whatever; we're still overpopulated with ignorant people. if people can learn to understand themselves and everybody else, we'll live in utopia.
yeah right

Chacko

I have read Searle's chinese room argument - and I don't accept it because intelligence is just a word.

Wittgenstein wrote an entire series of books about language games - when we use words we are associating some sort of symbolical aspect to a word. Language is always only on the surface, it can never unvail anything below the surface (or whats going on inside).

We had a very interesting debate over the idea of "understanding".

And to the people telling me that I was making religious statements, I was not trying to enforce religion. Rather I was trying to impress that the Wachowski brothers (who HAVE admitted these names were intentional) were bringing symbolism in it to bring eastern and western philosophy in a medium that American's could be entertained by.

I was trying to explore the connections since they wont directly come out with it.

And yes, it did start as a "vision of the future" but it became alot more then that. There are stories, comics, and other literature regarding the idea.

Along with that in the real world, artificial intelligence has been making some incredible advancements.

Has anyone signed on to talk with that program that will actually carry on a conversation with you... its pretty hard to tell that it isn't a human at times.

There are also EPOs (Evolving Program Objects) that are a recent development. They basically with each iteration generate new code to make themselves more efficient, and to run more powerfully (depending on what their application is). For instance you could develop an EPO that wants to develop the perfect "human" genetic model, it will start with what the programmer sets it forth and then start compiling and recompiling over and over and over until it reaches a point that the programmer would never have expected.

There are some interesting things to read about AI, Code Soup (artificial life forms) and hyper-reality.

Chacko

Here is an essay I wrote and had published in a philosophy journal at CSU.

Is there some particular reason that for the majority of humans they must rely upon an outer force in order to find purpose with in the world? Perhaps it is above my own perception of this universe, but I do not see the reason for creating Gods and Goddesses to explain the phenomenon of our world; especially in the 21st century.
Our very existence does not have to rely on the necessity of a God; if you found out tomorrow that God was in fact a mere invention (like Santa Claus!) then would you cease to exist? No, you’ll still be an entity in this universe of questions; you’ll just have one less thing to worry about. For some reason it is an innate human response to try and rationalize everything that we experience – if you suddenly became weightless for several minutes and were floating around in the room, I’m sure amidst the first of your thoughts would be “how is this possible?” and dependant upon your own life prior to this moment, you may or may not believe it to be the will of some divine creature. While this is an inevitable fact of all humans, it is quite contradictory to how a lot of the religious people deal with the reality of this universe.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched this stupid show on FOX that comes on around 2 in the morning called “Jack Van Impe Presents” that is mere Christian propaganda (for some diabolical purpose I’m sure!) where this old fart rants about current events in the world and how they were all predicted by the Bible. Well this is all good and well to have faith in your God, but why are you trying to rationalize your faith to the world? A bunch of suicide bombers in the middle east, is not directly wrote into the Bible, it just seems to be a coincidence that with some good twists of the ole’ English tongue can be harbored into making it sound like revelations. If you believe in God, and you truly have this faith in your soul, then why do you need to make rationality of this belief to the world?
Ah because it is our inevitable response to everything that we experience. We want to make some sort of justification for such an event to happen, so that it has some deeper significance to us. I can’t explain why this is human behavior, only that it is human behavior. Perhaps faith is just an excuse for inferior science; I can understand cave men worshipping the Gods of animals in order to yield them with more satisfying prey, or perhaps Indians worshipping a rain God – but how can we still, with our modern science, today take these leaps of faith where we attempt to justify the present by inventing (or in this case, by holding onto) entities of divine power in order to make some sort of un-objective truth about the world?
I guess I just don’t understand how we can continue to use faith as an excuse for not wanting to seek a more definitive explanation to an event. As the example I gave of suicide bombers, perhaps cutting out the idea of revelations and looking at the suggestion that we are really pissing some one off in the Middle East and maybe we should stop!
But oh well, life will go on; we will continue to hold on to these ludicrous values and use them as excuses for being ignorant of the real rational world underneath.


I can go on to play the language game of God.