BirdmanMD

What do you guys think about Lesnar moving into the UFC? I think he will absolutely dominate the division. A striker with good takedown defense will stand some chance, but i dont think guys realize how strong he actually is. His arms can literally probably overpower most guy's legs when they are trying to avoid his takedowns. I cant wait to see him versus Mir at ufc 81. Mir is a washup now anyways, but it will be fun to watch

MustangC.

everyone will prbbly say that hesa ----- because he was in that fake as WWF, but in reality hes a ------- monster and will probably end up killing people in UFC.

Special ED

good for him. that dude looks gnarly. he tried to become a MN viking, because he is from here, but he did not make it.

90accordIHI

he'll probly fare pretty well in his first fight, because he'll be fighting a scrub. once he fights someone really technical, with good jiu-jitsu, he'll probly get fucked up

TorganFM

Have you seen his photos lately? He looks smaller than his late college years. Striker? Since when? And Mir is no scrub, idiot.

BirdmanMD

Mir is no scrub. Hes not as good as he once was, but hes probably still top 25 in the world. And the best wrestlers fare very well against good ju-jitsu guys. Hell he can probably bicep curl out of a damn armbar from a smaller guy.

i never said he was a striker. I said a good striker with a sound takedown defense will give him a little bit of trouble. But i mean GOOD takedown defense. Everyone says BJJ guys will ---- him up, but do they really think they are going to be able to get on top of someone with his size and wrestling credentials? please. And working submissions on the bottom of a 265 pound man is just stupid with the kind of power theyll be dealing with

90accordIHI

i haven't seen his photos lately, however, who has frank mir beat in the last year? he was on top of the division, but he's washed up. he lost to marcio cruz(overall record 2-2), beat dan christison( only had 2 ufc fights, one of which he beat brad imes), lost to brandon vera (who i thought would win his last fight), and beat antoni hardonk(only 3 ufc fights for him).

my point is that he hasn't faced a real opponent, with the exception of brandon vera, in a long time. i hope he takes the fight to lesnar, but he hasn't looked the same since his motorcycle wreck.

crxmatt2

Mir will come in great shape, and ready to grapple with Lesnar. Lesnar will definatley put Mir on his back.. but that might not be a good thing.. a triangle or armbar can come out of nowhere when you're fighting a guy of the caliber of Mir. I mean ---- he broke tim silvia's arm, while tim was standing.

TorganFM

Mir had a bad wreck on his motorcycle recently, which is why he put on a ton of weight. Sorry about the striker comment, my reading comp sucks. If you watched the WEC card a week or so ago you would see it in his face and neck and around his chest he has cut the weight. Frank is 240, and Brock is forced to be under 265 to make HW weight limits, so at the worst it's 25lbs, and at that weight it's like a 10% weight advantage. Look at BJ Penn vs Hughes. Penn walks around at 170 (fights at 155) and moved up to WW against Hughes who walks around at 185-190 and cuts a ton to get to 170. There it's more than a 10% difference and BJ Penn wooped ***. What I'm trying to get at is Brock will come in like a big goon (like Hughes) and get owned by a superior, smaller fighter. Size doesn't matter as much in a multidimensional sport like mma versus something like wrestling or boxing.

BirdmanMD

the thing is brock isnt some big goon. He should have MMA-leading takedowns being a good wrestler and with his size and power. He cuts to 265, he as been as high as 300 at some points, so he is a ------- monster. Mir is a big boy, but its a completely different kind of strength. Lesnar has made his strength wrestling(greco) and tossing guys around. That kind of strength is much tougher to overcome than the kind you get lifting weights.

And saying Mir is superior is a falsehood. He used to be quick and explosive, but he isn't what he used to be.

striking- even- Brock hasn't ever really trained in striking but Mir is a chump when it comes to standup. He has literally never landed a good, clean, powerful punch in a fight. Brocks reach and power here could be the difference. Look at the Kim fight. He doesn't even need to break guard to land powerful shots, his inside shots while being clutched onto are powerful enough to knockout

Wrestling- brock - anyone who says different is a dumbass, lesnar will destroy him if he allows himself to be grounded and pounded.

ju-jitsu- mir - obvious but lesnar will be training with the best to avoid this and he has trained in the past in ju-jitsu, and even rolled with a couple of fairly good guys

takedowns- brock

takedown defense -brock(he was a ncaa champion, come on)

i see hardly any way mir can win. Experience? Brock has fought in wrestling, greco wrestling, and mma matches. I know wrestling is fake, but hes performing in front of millions of people. its still experience.

money on brock