I-6 Vs. V-6
10-17-2005, 03:29 AM
#51
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Re: I-6 Vs. V-6
just some mostly american i can think off offhand. all cost less than the 350z
impala SS *10k less*
G6 GTP *13k less*
gran prix GXP *10k less*
malibu SS *16k less*
monte carlo SS *10k less*
dodge charger R/T *10k less*
dodge charger srt8 *4k less*
dodge magnum R/T *4k less*
300C *4k less*
300C SRT8 *same price 36k*
crossfire *10k less*
crossfire srt6 *4k more*
acura TL *3k less*
impala SS *10k less*
G6 GTP *13k less*
gran prix GXP *10k less*
malibu SS *16k less*
monte carlo SS *10k less*
dodge charger R/T *10k less*
dodge charger srt8 *4k less*
dodge magnum R/T *4k less*
300C *4k less*
300C SRT8 *same price 36k*
crossfire *10k less*
crossfire srt6 *4k more*
acura TL *3k less*
10-17-2005, 08:19 PM
#52
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Re: I-6 Vs. V-6
Originally Posted by random-strike
just some mostly american i can think off offhand. all cost less than the 350z
For instance:
05 impala SS, G6 GTP, Gran prix GXP, malibu SS, monte carlo SS
What is one common feature? suspension that hasn't been redesigned since the first bush was in office, and FWD.
300C, 300C SRT8, acura TL
FWD
crossfire, crossfire srt6
coupes, and fairly competitve, however the base crossfire has 2/3s the power (just over 200) of the Z, so it is not real competive considering the supercharged version (330hp) is only 1s quicker in the quicker in the quarter, and nearly even in everything else.
10-17-2005, 08:50 PM
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Re: I-6 Vs. V-6
doesnt matter when the suspension was designed its how it performs. id put any of those cars against the 350z.
BTW the early 90s impala ss/caprice/ect where B-bodies and RWD, the monte carlo/impala was a FWD W-body manibul was a FWD N-body gran prix was a FWD W-body
the 300 is rear wheel drive. the 300c hemi is faster in a straight line than the 350 by half a second at least. and the srt8 probably 2+ seconds
remember there is more to "road racing" than pure handling ability.
the srt6 has ~40 more horse and ~40 more tq than the 350z and weighs the same.
dont always assume because its a GM its HanDlES BaD DaWG
the CTS-V costs about 10k more but would do anything better than a 350z.
Monte Carlo SS:
Brakes, Steering, Suspension & Tires
Brakes (Front)Disc
Brakes (Rear)Disc
DrivelineFront Wheel Drive
Driveline (Opt)N/A
SteeringRack & Pinion
Steering Diameter Left39.6
Steering Diameter Right39.6
Suspension (Front)Independent
Suspension (Rear)Independent
Tire TypePassenger
Tire Width235
Tire Aspect Ratio50
Tire ConstructionRadial
Tire Wheel Diameter18
Curb Weight AT 3395
Impala SS:
Brakes, Steering, Suspension & Tires
Brakes (Front)Disc
Brakes (Rear)Disc
DrivelineFront Wheel Drive
Driveline (Opt)N/A
SteeringRack & Pinion
Steering Diameter Left 40
Steering Diameter Right 40
Suspension (Front)Independent
Suspension (Rear)Independent
Tire TypePassenger
Tire Width235
Tire Aspect Ratio50
Tire ConstructionRadial
Tire Wheel Diameter18
Curb Weight AT 3712
350z Performance
Brakes, Steering, Suspension & Tires
Brakes (Front)Disc
Brakes (Rear)Disc
DrivelineRear Wheel Drive
Driveline (Opt)N/A
SteeringRack & Pinion
Steering Diameter Left 35.3
Steering Diameter Right 35.3
Suspension (Front)Independent
Suspension (Rear)Independent
Tire TypePassenger
Tire Width 225
Tire Aspect Ratio 45
Tire ConstructionRadial
Tire Wheel Diameter18
Curb Weight MT 3217
BTW the early 90s impala ss/caprice/ect where B-bodies and RWD, the monte carlo/impala was a FWD W-body manibul was a FWD N-body gran prix was a FWD W-body
the 300 is rear wheel drive. the 300c hemi is faster in a straight line than the 350 by half a second at least. and the srt8 probably 2+ seconds
remember there is more to "road racing" than pure handling ability.
the srt6 has ~40 more horse and ~40 more tq than the 350z and weighs the same.
dont always assume because its a GM its HanDlES BaD DaWG
the CTS-V costs about 10k more but would do anything better than a 350z.
Monte Carlo SS:
Brakes, Steering, Suspension & Tires
Brakes (Front)Disc
Brakes (Rear)Disc
DrivelineFront Wheel Drive
Driveline (Opt)N/A
SteeringRack & Pinion
Steering Diameter Left39.6
Steering Diameter Right39.6
Suspension (Front)Independent
Suspension (Rear)Independent
Tire TypePassenger
Tire Width235
Tire Aspect Ratio50
Tire ConstructionRadial
Tire Wheel Diameter18
Curb Weight AT 3395
Impala SS:
Brakes, Steering, Suspension & Tires
Brakes (Front)Disc
Brakes (Rear)Disc
DrivelineFront Wheel Drive
Driveline (Opt)N/A
SteeringRack & Pinion
Steering Diameter Left 40
Steering Diameter Right 40
Suspension (Front)Independent
Suspension (Rear)Independent
Tire TypePassenger
Tire Width235
Tire Aspect Ratio50
Tire ConstructionRadial
Tire Wheel Diameter18
Curb Weight AT 3712
350z Performance
Brakes, Steering, Suspension & Tires
Brakes (Front)Disc
Brakes (Rear)Disc
DrivelineRear Wheel Drive
Driveline (Opt)N/A
SteeringRack & Pinion
Steering Diameter Left 35.3
Steering Diameter Right 35.3
Suspension (Front)Independent
Suspension (Rear)Independent
Tire TypePassenger
Tire Width 225
Tire Aspect Ratio 45
Tire ConstructionRadial
Tire Wheel Diameter18
Curb Weight MT 3217
10-17-2005, 09:59 PM
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Re: I-6 Vs. V-6
Originally Posted by random-strike
doesnt matter when the suspension was designed its how it performs. id put any of those cars against the 350z.
BTW the early 90s impala ss/caprice/ect where B-bodies and RWD, the monte carlo/impala was a FWD W-body manibul was a FWD N-body gran prix was a FWD W-body
the 300 is rear wheel drive. the 300c hemi is faster in a straight line than the 350 by half a second at least. and the srt8 probably 2+ seconds
remember there is more to "road racing" than pure handling ability.
the srt6 has ~40 more horse and ~40 more tq than the 350z and weighs the same.
dont always assume because its a GM its HanDlES BaD DaWG
BTW the early 90s impala ss/caprice/ect where B-bodies and RWD, the monte carlo/impala was a FWD W-body manibul was a FWD N-body gran prix was a FWD W-body
the 300 is rear wheel drive. the 300c hemi is faster in a straight line than the 350 by half a second at least. and the srt8 probably 2+ seconds
remember there is more to "road racing" than pure handling ability.
the srt6 has ~40 more horse and ~40 more tq than the 350z and weighs the same.
dont always assume because its a GM its HanDlES BaD DaWG
Go drive a 350 and come back and tell me a Impala SS/Monte Carlo/Malibu/G6 is as fun to drive. You can't. Maybe they pull a little harder in a straight line. Try throttle mid corner, and you're ending up in the ditch.
for the slalom which is more representative of handling potential than skidpad, which is mostly a measure of the tires, 300C hemi-62.5mph , 350z track-65.6mph.
Figures are figures, who cares about HP, the 350 pulls a 14.3, the Crossfire SRT-6 pulls a mid 13, and their 0-60 are damn close. But you said SEDAN, not coupe.
But I'm done arguing with someone who has obviously never driven the cars he is trying to argue for or against.
10-17-2005, 10:19 PM
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Re: I-6 Vs. V-6
Originally Posted by krustindumm
Originally Posted by random-strike
doesnt matter when the suspension was designed its how it performs. id put any of those cars against the 350z.
BTW the early 90s impala ss/caprice/ect where B-bodies and RWD, the monte carlo/impala was a FWD W-body manibul was a FWD N-body gran prix was a FWD W-body
the 300 is rear wheel drive. the 300c hemi is faster in a straight line than the 350 by half a second at least. and the srt8 probably 2+ seconds
remember there is more to "road racing" than pure handling ability.
the srt6 has ~40 more horse and ~40 more tq than the 350z and weighs the same.
dont always assume because its a GM its HanDlES BaD DaWG
BTW the early 90s impala ss/caprice/ect where B-bodies and RWD, the monte carlo/impala was a FWD W-body manibul was a FWD N-body gran prix was a FWD W-body
the 300 is rear wheel drive. the 300c hemi is faster in a straight line than the 350 by half a second at least. and the srt8 probably 2+ seconds
remember there is more to "road racing" than pure handling ability.
the srt6 has ~40 more horse and ~40 more tq than the 350z and weighs the same.
dont always assume because its a GM its HanDlES BaD DaWG
Go drive a 350 and come back and tell me a Impala SS/Monte Carlo/Malibu/G6 is as fun to drive. You can't. Maybe they pull a little harder in a straight line. Try throttle mid corner, and you're ending up in the ditch.
for the slalom which is more representative of handling potential than skidpad, which is mostly a measure of the tires, 300C hemi-62.5mph , 350z track-65.6mph.
Figures are figures, who cares about HP, the 350 pulls a 14.3, the Crossfire SRT-6 pulls a mid 13, and their 0-60 are damn close. But you said SEDAN, not coupe.
But I'm done arguing with someone who has obviously never driven the cars he is trying to argue for or against.
from now on i'll make sure you ONLY comment on cars/setups/engines if you have driven or worked on. sound fair?
like i said there is more to being fast around a road course than pure handling ability how many road tracks have a slalom in the course.
i wonder which car would win around a roadcourse a 01 sk2 or a 01 Mustang GT. i think its very well known that the s2k is a better handling car, but why does the GT win?
the hemi 300c/srt8 charger/magnum/ect all would whipe the floor with a 350z on a road course cause they are too fast for it.
10-18-2005, 12:10 AM
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Re: I-6 Vs. V-6
i said i'm out, it is impossable to argue with someone who has no idea what they are arguing.
BTW, while i work at a nissan/audi/VW/benze/mazda/ford dealership, i have good friends at the GM dealership accross the street, at the toyota/scion dealer a short distance away, and at the honda dealer i used to work at, so yeah, i pretty much do get to test drive anything i want to.
BTW, while i work at a nissan/audi/VW/benze/mazda/ford dealership, i have good friends at the GM dealership accross the street, at the toyota/scion dealer a short distance away, and at the honda dealer i used to work at, so yeah, i pretty much do get to test drive anything i want to.
10-18-2005, 12:17 AM
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Re: I-6 Vs. V-6
Originally Posted by krustindumm
i said i'm out, it is impossable to argue with someone who has no idea what they are arguing.
BTW, while i work at a nissan/audi/VW/benze/mazda/ford dealership, i have good friends at the GM dealership accross the street, at the toyota/scion dealer a short distance away, and at the honda dealer i used to work at, so yeah, i pretty much do get to test drive anything i want to.
BTW, while i work at a nissan/audi/VW/benze/mazda/ford dealership, i have good friends at the GM dealership accross the street, at the toyota/scion dealer a short distance away, and at the honda dealer i used to work at, so yeah, i pretty much do get to test drive anything i want to.
would you say its fair to say my mustang would tromp on a stock 350z on a road course?
10-18-2005, 12:37 AM
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Re: I-6 Vs. V-6
Originally Posted by krustindumm
Haven't felt like driving the new SS line, it is still based on the shitty old design. But you know what, if I have time this week I will, just to let you know how it compares.
What is your mustang?
What is your mustang?
10-18-2005, 12:51 AM
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Re: I-6 Vs. V-6
I can already predict how the new GM line will handle. Exactly like the old line (and the line before that, and before that). Severe understeer at the limit, strange reactions to midcorner bumps, laggy transmissions, but good at making tire smoke. Basically cars for elderly folks with an addiction to acceleration.
I've only driven one fox body aggressivly 2-3 years ago. late 80's (maybe early 90s) 5.0 GT, i believe. It had a few mods, IIRC, it would be pretty close in a straight line, cornering the fox body was not very confidnence inspiring. Th 350z just has way more technology into the suspension vs the mustangs quadra-link (aka: quadra-bind) mess. The 350z definitly felt like it would have the upper hand in a tight course, like a small road course or auto-x.
Left my camera in my car or i'd upload some of the random cars I drove today, totally original '67 (i think) mustang convertible with a 289, and a totally original 63 'vette convertible with i think a 305. Sales manager here likes to trade for old cars
I've only driven one fox body aggressivly 2-3 years ago. late 80's (maybe early 90s) 5.0 GT, i believe. It had a few mods, IIRC, it would be pretty close in a straight line, cornering the fox body was not very confidnence inspiring. Th 350z just has way more technology into the suspension vs the mustangs quadra-link (aka: quadra-bind) mess. The 350z definitly felt like it would have the upper hand in a tight course, like a small road course or auto-x.
Left my camera in my car or i'd upload some of the random cars I drove today, totally original '67 (i think) mustang convertible with a 289, and a totally original 63 'vette convertible with i think a 305. Sales manager here likes to trade for old cars
