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Old 08-05-2004, 09:05 PM
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I can't remember how much the kit was, I bought the adapter plates, motor mounts and waterpump ---- first, then orderd the rad kit after. I modded the tank my self It was super easy, any one that can weld good would have no problems. I put a drop bottem on mine from jegs for the fuel injection, drilled holes in the bottem with a hole saw and welded the sump over the top, kinda a baffle. I used a 915/16 trans that a local porsche speed shop rebuilt ( trade for the origanal engine) and modded for me, it was still a peg leg because I didn't think to much traction would be good for it. It was drilled and had jets installed it the top with a electic pump to spray oil with a little sump tank and a filter. Cluch was a centerforce dual, and the flywheel was renegades. I might still have the install video if your interested. I would love to get it back or build a new one.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:07 PM
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Here they have a web site now http://www.renegadehybrids.com/main.htm
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:11 PM
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yeah man, i'm definately interested.. I'm hoping to start this 3 year project within the next year (still have other ------- cars that need my attention first).

renegade hybrid never posts prices for their kits.. i saw one on ebay go for $300 once. I figure the conversion kit would be like around a grand.

The gas tank looks easy enough to do, I'm all about doing this project myself, probably have to buy their radiator tho.. they have a good thing re-engineered.

On the tranny, I've heard the stock 911 ones run fairly decent but the 930 trannys can hold up to 700HP with the right clutch I would like to stay right around 400-450, maybe TT that bitch?

Speaking of TT how much room in the engine compartment? You ran a carb right? I was thinking about going fuel injected (ultra megasquirt baby). Was also planning on redoing the interior, dumping the back seat, probably getting some decent race seats or something... definately give the dash a face lift.

How fast was that car? You did you aluminum heads, did it make that much of a difference with weight in the conversion? Man I have so many ------- questions about this thing.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:34 PM
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Heads are 60lbs I think, I wanted to tt mine too, there is lots of room on the sides but ---- all at the back I had tpi, itb's with two big oval k&n's. It was a old hilborn stack system converted to efi (Good old ebay). The engine acullay looked like it belonged in there. The car is very fast, not crazy but very fast. I am not easyly impressed though. The parts are cheep for the small block but wait till you need porsche parts. Go buy an excellence magazine, 5000 brake kits, 5000 dollar body kits, 7500 dollar tranny, bluh bluh bluh. Look at it VERY closely before you start. It makes a very nice car but half the reason I sold mine is because, to finish it the way I wanted it would have cost more than acually getting it up and running. Mine was super clean before I started paint was mint and so was the interior( red on black) I think I was just shy of 400 hp but if I did it again I would not stroke it maybee a 327 or even a 302 zapper, something that can rev with a less torque. You cant use the torque any ways and it light enough you dont need it. Do you want me to look for the install video
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:46 PM
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If you don't mind looking for that video, I would really llike to see it.

I know my way around chevy v8s and european cars.. if it weren't for all the damn hondas that keep getting in my way that would be all that I would work on. I am well aware of the porsche pricing.. and no, I wasn't planning on dumping all that money into a stroker. I was thinking of maybe a solid steel 327/350 that can handle boost with no problem. I know what you are talking about where everthing was getting in your way but the setup that I'm going with requires hardly any room at all ontop of the intake manifold.. I'll look for a pic later. The most I would have to worry about would be placement of all the controller boxes that I would need (for standalone ecu, msd, blah blah).. and of course intercooler (or heat exchange if I go the liquid route). I got a lot of ideas but just haven't talked with anyone who has done the project.

I'm aware of the prices, $3500 for body kit, $1000-1500 for tires/rims (used).. I haven't even thought about brakes, would most likely have to go with the 930/993/996 upgrade kits.. I'm familiar with the braking system they use even rebuilding wouldn't be entirely out of the picture for me. You really get screwed when you need specific things like new bushings or dealership items (man the volvo dealerships used to rape me hardcore). For the most part I will be going universal.

Did you keep the heat or a/c? I know renegade hybrids has kits avaialable for anything you want.

Did you have the basic coupe or did you go for the targa?
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:14 PM
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I ripped out the a/c and didn't have heat, I was always going to do something with that, they do have kits though.It was a 74 carara(sp) Worth cash but I didn't know at the time so it was a coupe. Porsche diehards will really, really hate you! The intercooler could be a bitch, you would need a turbo wing and mount it under that like a stock 930. A liquid to air might be the ticket but thats two more lines to the front of the car. Cooling is good but not great, turbo might be two much for it. I think the video might be at my momz house (I built it there), I will look tommorow.
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I think we high jacked the ---- out of this thread
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:23 PM
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yeah man, this should be retitled to something else... now everyone else is just scared to join in on the discussion. I am aware of the high heat and what a heat exchange would require... I'm sure I'll get creative.

Yeah porsche guys will hate me when I pass them. Here is a pic of the intake setup I was talking about, a lot less space consuming then just a basic single carb and small triangle air filter..


no rush on the vid, whenever you can find it.. I'll be around here (as always).

How does the exhaust work out? Did it have to loop around? What mufflers did you use?

I'm sure I have lots more questions on this damn thing.. design is still in my head, I'll have to find a pic of the body kit I want to go with.. it looks really bad ***.

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EDIT: Now the pic works
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:43 PM
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You will be suprized how much room on the sides you will have, I cant remember which headman headers I used but it was one muffler cross ways like a stock porsche, dual in dual out looked stock from behind. The best thing I did was used a boat oil pan from moroso for a forword facing flywheel, so when your hard on the throttle the oil stays in the sump. I was going to use a chevy 2 nova pan and pump but the pump didn't clear the stroker crank. Dry sump would be nice since the car has a tank for it stock. That intake will clear but you wont have alot of room for a elbow on the top for turbo. You can get one that has a huge single blade throttle body mounted to an elbow then to an intake like that, might be better? I always wanted the dual over head cam corvette small block for mine. O the Kit uses a strait six balencer, the one with the two v belt groves cut in it to run the water pump( chrysler hemi) and the chevy one wire alt. Would be nice to get a fluid dampner but your s.o.l.
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