hand guns
08-31-2006, 09:01 PM
#41
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Re: hand guns
Beretta 9000s 9mm, and an H&K 45.
Walther's are good looking, good feeling, and big ------- paperweights if you have a lemon. Lotta people ahve problems with them.
To the original poster... If you've never shot a pistol in your life, you need to buy a 22LR automatic. Any descent one is far more accurate than you could possibly shoot, and frankly... If you have no, or limited pistol shooting experiance. You won't be able to hit ------- ---- 20' away from your barrel. That's not an HMT bash, that's the cold hard truth of learning to shoot a pistol.
A single 22LR's will do a hell of alot more hitting something than a 45 that misses 10-15 times in a row.
Join a gun club if you don't have a readily avalible place to shoot, AND have friends to wach & correct your shooting. It's painfully obvious when you see someone shoot that's never been taught correctly. Even when the can hit things from repetition, there are normally alot of nasty habits.
AFA actually owning a PDW, you need to buy a quality gun that fits the criteria you want. Are you looking for a small daily carry, an occational carry, or just a cool handgun? Anything in 9mm, .357 & greater is going to put someone down if you can hit them.
Beware of anticipating the trigger pull on the larger calibers. It's a common newbie habit that only goes away with trining & repetition.
Walther's are good looking, good feeling, and big ------- paperweights if you have a lemon. Lotta people ahve problems with them.
To the original poster... If you've never shot a pistol in your life, you need to buy a 22LR automatic. Any descent one is far more accurate than you could possibly shoot, and frankly... If you have no, or limited pistol shooting experiance. You won't be able to hit ------- ---- 20' away from your barrel. That's not an HMT bash, that's the cold hard truth of learning to shoot a pistol.
A single 22LR's will do a hell of alot more hitting something than a 45 that misses 10-15 times in a row.
Join a gun club if you don't have a readily avalible place to shoot, AND have friends to wach & correct your shooting. It's painfully obvious when you see someone shoot that's never been taught correctly. Even when the can hit things from repetition, there are normally alot of nasty habits.
AFA actually owning a PDW, you need to buy a quality gun that fits the criteria you want. Are you looking for a small daily carry, an occational carry, or just a cool handgun? Anything in 9mm, .357 & greater is going to put someone down if you can hit them.
Beware of anticipating the trigger pull on the larger calibers. It's a common newbie habit that only goes away with trining & repetition.
08-31-2006, 09:29 PM
#43
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Re: hand guns
Originally Posted by Toysrme
To the original poster... If you've never shot a pistol in your life, you need to buy a 22LR automatic.
Anything in 9mm, .357 & greater is going to put someone down if you can hit them.
The point IS, that I dream of making paths in large crowds of people. If the 22LR can't do that, then why should I buy it? 
Ok, really. Do people have problems with the Walthers, or are you just trying to be HMT's resident gun expert? :P (I have to ask)
09-01-2006, 12:22 AM
#44
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Re: hand guns
The vast majority of that post is directed to the original poster who would be blackman.
Yes, people really do have problems with Walthers... I'm not telling you to buy jack ----. You're not a newbie stealth. You're smart enough to do your own research & get some first-hand experiance at a firing range, or gun store with one you don't own.
Anyone that would suggest a first pistol to not be a 22lr... Has obviously has no experiance to being, or advising someone new to handgun shooting. Personal defence doesn't do ---- if you can't hit a man sized target more than a few feet away from yourself with any reliability.
Consider... Brand new 22LR auto pistols cost in the $150-300 range. A brick (500 rounds) of any good cycling 22LR ammo will cost $10-20 bucks. 100 rounds of descent .45 ACP will cost $20-24. It costs alot of money to learn how to shoot on a big gun.
I'm not downing either one of you. But like I said, and I said it correctly. You can't defend what you can't hit. And no newbie is just going to pick up any pistol (Especially a larger caliber) and shoot anything more than a few feet infront of the muzzle with any accuracy.
Bluntly... I've never seen a raw beginner even hit a target at the local range at 10 yards (30 feet).
I've several close friends I've grown up with that have bought PDW's. Auto 45's, 40's. All sighted in on a bench rest by myself. My closest friend has a new HK 45 after shooting mine afew times. After bench sighting. At 15 mother ------- feet he hit a cardboard box (Way fatter than someone's body) only twice in 5 clips... Twice. 2 out of 50...
You don't get 5 clips in personal defence. The idea is to shoot them once, or as many times as it takes, and you've defended yourself. Not shoot sidearm like a ------ & *maybe* scare off an attacker. If you're lucky, the worst that could happen is the aggressor shoots sidearm like a ------ too.
If you can't hit what you shoot at, the gun isn't doing you any good. Maybe you guys have shooting a rifle & shooting a pistol mixed up. Shooting a rifle is pissy. Any moron can pick one up with little instruction & hit something at distance. Shooting a pistol is an art form. It takes alot of practice, and that is easier with something you can afford to shoot, and will be more accurate than nearly any affordable PDW you wil ever own.
Not to just kill it, but to say it one more time. If the original poster has no good experiance at shooting pistols, he oughta buy a 22lr auto pistol. Learn to hit something with reasonable accuracy WITHOUT much investment. Then buy a PDW, or few. It's far cheaper that way & you wind up with a weapon you can keep your entire life & afford to shoot on a very regular basis.
A 22lr aint gunna kill anyone hitting them in the leg (Well. 22lr has killed more people than any other cartridge to date mind you...). But hitting someone with accuracy with a 22lr is much more affective than not hitting someone at all...
LoL!
I like my 9000s as a carry/car weapon, and the HK for sitting @ home & taking to the range here & there. The HK 45 USP is abit big for wearing. More of a nightstand / range pistol than a carry weapon to me.
Yes, people really do have problems with Walthers... I'm not telling you to buy jack ----. You're not a newbie stealth. You're smart enough to do your own research & get some first-hand experiance at a firing range, or gun store with one you don't own.
Anyone that would suggest a first pistol to not be a 22lr... Has obviously has no experiance to being, or advising someone new to handgun shooting. Personal defence doesn't do ---- if you can't hit a man sized target more than a few feet away from yourself with any reliability.
Consider... Brand new 22LR auto pistols cost in the $150-300 range. A brick (500 rounds) of any good cycling 22LR ammo will cost $10-20 bucks. 100 rounds of descent .45 ACP will cost $20-24. It costs alot of money to learn how to shoot on a big gun.
I'm not downing either one of you. But like I said, and I said it correctly. You can't defend what you can't hit. And no newbie is just going to pick up any pistol (Especially a larger caliber) and shoot anything more than a few feet infront of the muzzle with any accuracy.
Bluntly... I've never seen a raw beginner even hit a target at the local range at 10 yards (30 feet).
I've several close friends I've grown up with that have bought PDW's. Auto 45's, 40's. All sighted in on a bench rest by myself. My closest friend has a new HK 45 after shooting mine afew times. After bench sighting. At 15 mother ------- feet he hit a cardboard box (Way fatter than someone's body) only twice in 5 clips... Twice. 2 out of 50...
You don't get 5 clips in personal defence. The idea is to shoot them once, or as many times as it takes, and you've defended yourself. Not shoot sidearm like a ------ & *maybe* scare off an attacker. If you're lucky, the worst that could happen is the aggressor shoots sidearm like a ------ too.
If you can't hit what you shoot at, the gun isn't doing you any good. Maybe you guys have shooting a rifle & shooting a pistol mixed up. Shooting a rifle is pissy. Any moron can pick one up with little instruction & hit something at distance. Shooting a pistol is an art form. It takes alot of practice, and that is easier with something you can afford to shoot, and will be more accurate than nearly any affordable PDW you wil ever own.
Not to just kill it, but to say it one more time. If the original poster has no good experiance at shooting pistols, he oughta buy a 22lr auto pistol. Learn to hit something with reasonable accuracy WITHOUT much investment. Then buy a PDW, or few. It's far cheaper that way & you wind up with a weapon you can keep your entire life & afford to shoot on a very regular basis.
A 22lr aint gunna kill anyone hitting them in the leg (Well. 22lr has killed more people than any other cartridge to date mind you...). But hitting someone with accuracy with a 22lr is much more affective than not hitting someone at all...
LoL!
I like my 9000s as a carry/car weapon, and the HK for sitting @ home & taking to the range here & there. The HK 45 USP is abit big for wearing. More of a nightstand / range pistol than a carry weapon to me.
09-01-2006, 12:24 AM
#45
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Re: hand guns
Originally Posted by Toysrme
The vast majority of that post is directed to the original poster who would be blackman.
Yes, people really do have problems with Walthers... I'm not telling you to buy jack ----. You're not a newbie stealth. You're smart enough to do your own research & get some first-hand experiance at a firing range, or gun store with one you don't own.
Anyone that would suggest a first pistol to not be a 22lr... Has obviously has no experiance to being, or advising someone new to handgun shooting. Personal defence doesn't do ---- if you can't hit a man sized target more than a few feet away from yourself with any reliability. (And I don't hate walthers. I love how they look, and their feel for the most part.)
Consider... Brand new 22LR auto pistols cost in the $150-300 range. A brick (500 rounds) of any good cycling 22LR ammo will cost $10-20 bucks. 100 rounds of descent .45 ACP will cost $20-24. It costs alot of money to learn how to shoot on a big gun.
I'm not downing either one of you. But like I said, and I said it correctly. You can't defend what you can't hit. And no newbie is just going to pick up any pistol (Especially a larger caliber) and shoot anything more than a few feet infront of the muzzle with any accuracy.
Bluntly... I've never seen a raw beginner even hit a target at the local range at 10 yards (30 feet).
I've several close friends I've grown up with that have bought PDW's. Auto 45's, 40's. All sighted in on a bench rest by myself. My closest friend has a new HK 45 after shooting mine afew times. After bench sighting. At 15 mother ------- feet he hit a cardboard box (Way fatter than someone's body) only twice in 5 clips... Twice. 2 out of 50... You don't get 5 clips in personal defence. The idea is to shoot them once, or as many times as it takes, and you've defended yourself. Not shoot sidearm like a ------ & *maybe* scare off an attacker. If you're lucky, the worst that could happen is the aggressor shoots sidearm like a ------ too.
If you can't hit what you shoot at, the gun isn't doing you any good. Maybe you guys have shooting a rifle & shooting a pistol mixed up. Shooting a rifle is pissy. Any moron can pick one up with little instruction & hit something at distance. Shooting a pistol is an art form. It takes alot of practice, and that is easier with something you can afford to shoot, and will be more accurate than nearly any affordable PDW you wil ever own.
Not to just kill it, but to say it one more time. If the original poster has no good experiance at shooting pistols, he oughta buy a 22lr auto pistol. Learn to hit something with reasonable accuracy WITHOUT much investment. Then buy a PDW, or few. It's far cheaper that way & you wind up with a weapon you can keep your entire life & afford to shoot on a very regular basis.
A 22lr aint gunna kill anyone hitting them in the leg (Well. 22lr has killed more people than any other cartridge to date mind you...)
Hitting someone with accuracy with a 22lr is much more affective than not hitting someone at all...
LoL!
I like my 9000s as a carry/car weapon, and the HK for sitting @ home & taking to the range here & there. The HK 45 USP is abit big for wearing. More of a nightstand / range pistol than a carry weapon to me.
Yes, people really do have problems with Walthers... I'm not telling you to buy jack ----. You're not a newbie stealth. You're smart enough to do your own research & get some first-hand experiance at a firing range, or gun store with one you don't own.
Anyone that would suggest a first pistol to not be a 22lr... Has obviously has no experiance to being, or advising someone new to handgun shooting. Personal defence doesn't do ---- if you can't hit a man sized target more than a few feet away from yourself with any reliability. (And I don't hate walthers. I love how they look, and their feel for the most part.)
Consider... Brand new 22LR auto pistols cost in the $150-300 range. A brick (500 rounds) of any good cycling 22LR ammo will cost $10-20 bucks. 100 rounds of descent .45 ACP will cost $20-24. It costs alot of money to learn how to shoot on a big gun.
I'm not downing either one of you. But like I said, and I said it correctly. You can't defend what you can't hit. And no newbie is just going to pick up any pistol (Especially a larger caliber) and shoot anything more than a few feet infront of the muzzle with any accuracy.
Bluntly... I've never seen a raw beginner even hit a target at the local range at 10 yards (30 feet).
I've several close friends I've grown up with that have bought PDW's. Auto 45's, 40's. All sighted in on a bench rest by myself. My closest friend has a new HK 45 after shooting mine afew times. After bench sighting. At 15 mother ------- feet he hit a cardboard box (Way fatter than someone's body) only twice in 5 clips... Twice. 2 out of 50... You don't get 5 clips in personal defence. The idea is to shoot them once, or as many times as it takes, and you've defended yourself. Not shoot sidearm like a ------ & *maybe* scare off an attacker. If you're lucky, the worst that could happen is the aggressor shoots sidearm like a ------ too.
If you can't hit what you shoot at, the gun isn't doing you any good. Maybe you guys have shooting a rifle & shooting a pistol mixed up. Shooting a rifle is pissy. Any moron can pick one up with little instruction & hit something at distance. Shooting a pistol is an art form. It takes alot of practice, and that is easier with something you can afford to shoot, and will be more accurate than nearly any affordable PDW you wil ever own.
Not to just kill it, but to say it one more time. If the original poster has no good experiance at shooting pistols, he oughta buy a 22lr auto pistol. Learn to hit something with reasonable accuracy WITHOUT much investment. Then buy a PDW, or few. It's far cheaper that way & you wind up with a weapon you can keep your entire life & afford to shoot on a very regular basis.
A 22lr aint gunna kill anyone hitting them in the leg (Well. 22lr has killed more people than any other cartridge to date mind you...)
Hitting someone with accuracy with a 22lr is much more affective than not hitting someone at all...
LoL!
I like my 9000s as a carry/car weapon, and the HK for sitting @ home & taking to the range here & there. The HK 45 USP is abit big for wearing. More of a nightstand / range pistol than a carry weapon to me.
09-01-2006, 03:50 AM
#47
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Re: hand guns
50cal hand cannon, this thing is loud!
accurate within 35-40 of target (on par with a decently long barreled .22lr pistol for compairison)
only cost me $13, too. about 190 rounds of wirenuts (or a few thousand golf tees) for 20 bucks, can't complain. yet to have it jam, or misfire. best handgun ive ever shot, LOW recoil. dsm y0!
09-01-2006, 04:03 AM
#48
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Re: hand guns
i sitll want to see the statistics that show a 22LR has killed more people throughout history than any other round. accidental deaths... maybe deaths in the united states.... maybe. the world and history? i have a hard time believing that.
if i had to guess i would say 7.62x39mm hell about 50 sand ------s die a day in iraq from this round. god knows how many die a day from this round around the world.
if i had to guess i would say 7.62x39mm hell about 50 sand ------s die a day in iraq from this round. god knows how many die a day from this round around the world.
