Controlling a suit
06-15-2008, 04:14 PM
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Re: Controlling a suit
What is the whole concept?
As consciousness is a function of the same physical laws that energy observes, as it is made of energy as you said, and it is also nothing special. All lifeforms are essentially conscious, we've made robots with enough fuzzy logic to be dubbed conscious, sentience isn't anything special either though, simply the outcome of exponentially progressive systems.
The problem with people is that their longing for purpose gets applied to areas where there is no purpose, there isn't a specific reason for our being and saying so is bullshit. Like Dawkins said the likelihood of our planet being the single bearer of life in the universe is astronomical.
Speculation does not a valid point make.
As consciousness is a function of the same physical laws that energy observes, as it is made of energy as you said, and it is also nothing special. All lifeforms are essentially conscious, we've made robots with enough fuzzy logic to be dubbed conscious, sentience isn't anything special either though, simply the outcome of exponentially progressive systems.
The problem with people is that their longing for purpose gets applied to areas where there is no purpose, there isn't a specific reason for our being and saying so is bullshit. Like Dawkins said the likelihood of our planet being the single bearer of life in the universe is astronomical.
Originally Posted by blade8r
but aside that i think he holding back onto what he really hypothesizes in regards to then the nature of the world and the whole concept.
06-15-2008, 05:10 PM
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Re: Controlling a suit
Sorry, I don't believe we have a purpose and I don't believe there's "free will."
Everything you think or do is just a chemical reaction. If it was possible to gain enough data on every state of every atom simultaneously, and process that data faster than it occurs in real life...I think it would be possible to predict with high accuracy how everyone will react to any situation. But, we'll never be able to gather all that information instantly, so it won't happen.
But, my point is that all your thoughts could theoretically be predicted. You don't think for yourself, as much as you'd like to think so :P
Everything you think or do is just a chemical reaction. If it was possible to gain enough data on every state of every atom simultaneously, and process that data faster than it occurs in real life...I think it would be possible to predict with high accuracy how everyone will react to any situation. But, we'll never be able to gather all that information instantly, so it won't happen.
But, my point is that all your thoughts could theoretically be predicted. You don't think for yourself, as much as you'd like to think so :P
06-15-2008, 10:53 PM
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Re: Controlling a suit
Originally Posted by wafflesincars
What is the whole concept?
As consciousness is a function of the same physical laws that energy observes, as it is made of energy as you said, and it is also nothing special. All lifeforms are essentially conscious, we've made robots with enough fuzzy logic to be dubbed conscious, sentience isn't anything special either though, simply the outcome of exponentially progressive systems.
The problem with people is that their longing for purpose gets applied to areas where there is no purpose, there isn't a specific reason for our being and saying so is bullshit. Like Dawkins said the likelihood of our planet being the single bearer of life in the universe is astronomical.
Speculation does not a valid point make.
As consciousness is a function of the same physical laws that energy observes, as it is made of energy as you said, and it is also nothing special. All lifeforms are essentially conscious, we've made robots with enough fuzzy logic to be dubbed conscious, sentience isn't anything special either though, simply the outcome of exponentially progressive systems.
The problem with people is that their longing for purpose gets applied to areas where there is no purpose, there isn't a specific reason for our being and saying so is bullshit. Like Dawkins said the likelihood of our planet being the single bearer of life in the universe is astronomical.
Speculation does not a valid point make.
something is out there. as to what or how this existence came about to be. i don't have the answer for you. i sure as hell don't agree with the modern day current religions.
but i agree about "robots with enough fuzzy logic to be dubbed conscious" but you must understand there is limitation with computer controlled electrical system as they are structured in predictable algorithms that are as you mention boring and predictable. but be as it may. it is a form of consciousness none the less.
we are no different as we ourselves are organic computers. it's just that the human mind has the pleasure to taste that of which isn't instinctual. the Human mind is able to be aware to a great degree along with all other living creature. through this great degree of evolution we are somewhat able to overcome the limitation of programed instinctual behavior. although we are not completely free of the governing rules our vessels abide by. everybody has to urge to reproduce. everybody has the urge to survive. but thats the just inherit design of our evolving DNA.
if you want to talk about purpose look to that in our children they are our legacy. i personally don't have any kids but i do wish that my kids 100 generation from now can survive in this planet without all the destruction we have been doing to our planet. this is our home and we don't have another one. now im not trying to be green and all that. i just wish we can reduce the population to a managable amount in balance with nature of the planet and to be able to live in balance with the planet (however long the planet wants us to live on it.)
06-16-2008, 12:33 AM
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Re: Controlling a suit
blade8r, there are robots that can "learn" already. I agree their algorithms are pretty predictable, but it's only because WE haven't got their AI to a level that rivals our own yet. Like I said earlier, we are just as predictable as robots, our "processing" is just a bit more complex.
I'd bet money that robots will eventually be more "conscious" than we are. Sure, we have taste/sight/touch/smell/hearing...but they're all things that can be replicated in robots with sensors. They will be more "conscious" than us when they're able to scan much more parameters than we are physically able to. Our head is just a complex chemical computer, one day electronic computers will pass us up.
I'd bet money that robots will eventually be more "conscious" than we are. Sure, we have taste/sight/touch/smell/hearing...but they're all things that can be replicated in robots with sensors. They will be more "conscious" than us when they're able to scan much more parameters than we are physically able to. Our head is just a complex chemical computer, one day electronic computers will pass us up.
06-16-2008, 03:57 AM
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Re: Controlling a suit
Yeah, he totally missed my point.
If the algorithms get exponentially more complex then the "free will" is increased simply because of the amount of logic gates that have been established.
Thought is stored as chemical (which is atomic) and electrical (subatomic) stratification, studies have been done on what kind of memories are the strongest, and what emotion was attached to them, as well as what sense was the most stimulated at the time the event took place.
The strongest chemical discharges were noted as the most impactful group of memories.
Essentially sentience and thought operate on a system that isn't beyond matter, as if it was we would have no way of utilizing it (though people wish with all their might that they did- read 'psychics') because everything we can sense without mechanical aid is in our own evolutionary order of magnitude.
Blade8r your premises are so inconsistent, full of holes, and perpetuated solely by you trying to make proof through verbosity.
Until you can come back with something other than "It's there and I know it, because it's there" kindly shut the ---- up and refrain from making philosophical posts.
Originally Posted by wafflesincars
What is the whole concept?
All lifeforms are essentially conscious, we've made robots with enough fuzzy logic to be dubbed conscious, sentience isn't anything special either though, simply the outcome of exponentially progressive systems.
All lifeforms are essentially conscious, we've made robots with enough fuzzy logic to be dubbed conscious, sentience isn't anything special either though, simply the outcome of exponentially progressive systems.
Originally Posted by blade8r
there is limitation with computer controlled electrical system as they are structured in predictable algorithms
Thought is stored as chemical (which is atomic) and electrical (subatomic) stratification, studies have been done on what kind of memories are the strongest, and what emotion was attached to them, as well as what sense was the most stimulated at the time the event took place.
The strongest chemical discharges were noted as the most impactful group of memories.
Essentially sentience and thought operate on a system that isn't beyond matter, as if it was we would have no way of utilizing it (though people wish with all their might that they did- read 'psychics') because everything we can sense without mechanical aid is in our own evolutionary order of magnitude.
Blade8r your premises are so inconsistent, full of holes, and perpetuated solely by you trying to make proof through verbosity.
Until you can come back with something other than "It's there and I know it, because it's there" kindly shut the ---- up and refrain from making philosophical posts.
06-16-2008, 10:57 AM
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Re: Controlling a suit
Originally Posted by blade8r
if you want to talk about purpose look to that in our children they are our legacy. i personally don't have any kids but i do wish that my kids 100 generation from now can survive in this planet without all the destruction we have been doing to our planet. this is our home and we don't have another one. now im not trying to be green and all that. i just wish we can reduce the population to a managable amount in balance with nature of the planet and to be able to live in balance with the planet (however long the planet wants us to live on it.)
06-16-2008, 03:37 PM
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Re: Controlling a suit
Originally Posted by wafflesincars
Yeah, he totally missed my point.
If the algorithms get exponentially more complex then the "free will" is increased simply because of the amount of logic gates that have been established.
Thought is stored as chemical (which is atomic) and electrical (subatomic) stratification, studies have been done on what kind of memories are the strongest, and what emotion was attached to them, as well as what sense was the most stimulated at the time the event took place.
The strongest chemical discharges were noted as the most impactful group of memories.
Essentially sentience and thought operate on a system that isn't beyond matter, as if it was we would have no way of utilizing it (though people wish with all their might that they did- read 'psychics') because everything we can sense without mechanical aid is in our own evolutionary order of magnitude.
Blade8r your premises are so inconsistent, full of holes, and perpetuated solely by you trying to make proof through verbosity.
Until you can come back with something other than "It's there and I know it, because it's there" kindly shut the ---- up and refrain from making philosophical posts.
If the algorithms get exponentially more complex then the "free will" is increased simply because of the amount of logic gates that have been established.
Thought is stored as chemical (which is atomic) and electrical (subatomic) stratification, studies have been done on what kind of memories are the strongest, and what emotion was attached to them, as well as what sense was the most stimulated at the time the event took place.
The strongest chemical discharges were noted as the most impactful group of memories.
Essentially sentience and thought operate on a system that isn't beyond matter, as if it was we would have no way of utilizing it (though people wish with all their might that they did- read 'psychics') because everything we can sense without mechanical aid is in our own evolutionary order of magnitude.
Blade8r your premises are so inconsistent, full of holes, and perpetuated solely by you trying to make proof through verbosity.
Until you can come back with something other than "It's there and I know it, because it's there" kindly shut the ---- up and refrain from making philosophical posts.
ill refer back to this as it's the basis for my argument how consciousness isn't material or matter in form.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAwX4I 1st vid
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4&feature=related 2nd vid
i took the liberty to see your Richard Dawkins link do me so the honor and spend 20 minutes totally with both links. it's a basic demonstration of the physical illusion and its relation to consciousness. it'll explain that you are not a chemical discharges and or a exponentially complex electrical impulses (well not completely). but the links will explain..
Originally Posted by jagojon3
We won't be on this planet in 100 generations, at least most of us won't.
06-16-2008, 03:41 PM
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Re: Controlling a suit
Originally Posted by crxtuner
When i take my add meds it creates this sort of sense as if i am detatching myself from the real world and everything around me is fake. The more you become emotionless the further we get away from what it feels to be human, feel good/bad/tired/etc, you may be experiencing manic depression onset from the deprivation of sleep along with improper nutrition. Or you just smoked some dank *** bud 
