clemency for "tookie" williams
12-07-2005, 03:34 PM
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Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
Originally Posted by evosol
Originally Posted by Whitey
Originally Posted by evosol
Originally Posted by Whitey
Originally Posted by evosol
Is he guilty for killing those hunters? No doubt about it, its unfortunate for those family members.
Was it provoked by racial tension? No doubt about it. Its very possible that he felt there was a real iminent threat, so in his mind he did what he had to do to survive.
Was it provoked by racial tension? No doubt about it. Its very possible that he felt there was a real iminent threat, so in his mind he did what he had to do to survive.
My black neighbors look very threatening, by your logic I should go to my house get a gun than go over and kill them becuase I feel its what I have to do to survive
But they live right next to me and I see them any day, how do I know they won't snap at any minute and kill me? Therefore "in my mind" they are an imment threat.
Same logic used to kill a bunch of hunters.
Hope I don't get a black jury My point i was attempting to make was that if you where in a similar situation you might also do the same thing. What would you have done whitey, if you where deep in the woods and ran into a party of 6 hunters, which whom presented an imminent danger?
You are gonna blast your way out of there. The only difference is that this man was a damn good shot.
as for bitch-****, i won't waste my time addressing him.
as far as I know, he knew what he was doing at the time of the shooting, therefore, was also aware that he would be sentenced to death.
12-07-2005, 03:38 PM
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Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
and no one will know the truth as to what happened. Its all speculation. all we now have is one man with a life sentence and 5 people dead.
nice chat though... i'm done this topic.
nice chat though... i'm done this topic.
12-07-2005, 03:41 PM
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Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
i dont know the story either but if someone shot at him while he was out hunting, his/my first reaction would be that it was an accident and i would start yelling that im a person and not a deer so they would stop. I wouldnt open fire and start chasing people down to shoot them in the back. Now if they shot at him on purpose as they yelled that all non-whites should die, then its a different story. If i wasnt so lazy i would look into this story more, but im sure the guy was out hunting wearing all black or brown and then wondered why he got shot at in the woods.
12-07-2005, 03:43 PM
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Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
Originally Posted by evosol
and no one will know the truth as to what happened. Its all speculation. all we now have is one man with a life sentence and 5 people dead.
nice chat though... i'm done this topic.
nice chat though... i'm done this topic.
12-07-2005, 03:43 PM
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Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
Originally Posted by evosol
There is also facts that one party of the hunters shot at Chai Vang, in which he then returned fire. What you described is inline with what the media has portrayed. They did a good job. This goes back to the fact i brought up earlier about high profile cases and how they are normally moved to a different county in order to receive a fair trial.
How do you know? Were you there? The only one who said the hunters shot first was the gook on trial. What he admitted to was that he was walking away, he took off his scope, apparently one shot was fired at him so he turned around spraying. And instead of leaving the scene for saftey and calling the cops he instead killed an unarmed man than chased down another man and shot him in the back.
bottom line is that he needed a defense for shooting unarmed people in the back so of course the defense is going to say they shot first and dumbasses like you believe it when in reality he was an offended gook who murdered people in cold blood. He obviously didn't feel as if he was the one in danger since he was the one who ran down the hunters to shoot them in the back.
I bet if this was a white hunter who admitted to killing 5 hmog, one of which was unarmed and the other he had to run down and shoot in the back you definitely wouldn't be defending him. Your just another tool blinded by the racecard and say "ohh its the media's fault he looks so bad."
12-07-2005, 03:46 PM
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Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
Originally Posted by ghettoturbo
i dont know the story either but if someone shot at him while he was out hunting, his/my first reaction would be that it was an accident and i would start yelling that im a person and not a deer so they would stop. I wouldnt open fire and start chasing people down to shoot them in the back. Now if they shot at him on purpose as they yelled that all non-whites should die, then its a different story. If i wasnt so lazy i would look into this story more, but im sure the guy was out hunting wearing all black or brown and then wondered why he got shot at in the woods.
Here's the story: http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...lls_legalcase/
12-07-2005, 03:49 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/22/hunters.slain/
CNN) -- Sheriff's deputies are investigating the killings of five hunters Sunday in northwest Wisconsin -- bloodshed apparently sparked by a dispute over a hunting spot. A suspect has been arrested.
"This is completely nuts," said Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle of the Sawyer County Sheriff's Department. "Why? I mean, five people dead because somebody was trespassing on property. It makes no sense."
Three others were wounded, said Julie Veness, an emergency medical technician in Exeland, Wisconsin.
Chai Vang, 36, was arrested in the case, Sheriff's Deputy Jake Hodgkinson told The Associated Press. Vang is from St. Paul, Minnesota, a police spokesman told the AP.
Saturday marked the opening of the nine-day deer season, and Veness said the shootings appeared to stem from a dispute over a deer stand -- an elevated position from which hunters can target deer.
"Apparently, the person was asked to leave and get out of his deer stand, and he didn't take it very well and he fired away at them," she said.
The dead included a a teenage boy and a woman, and a father and son, Zeigle told AP. Some of the victims were shot more than once.
Zeigle said the suspect was led out of the woods after getting lost by a pair of hunters who were not aware of the shootings.
"We were very thankful to take him into custody. No one else got hurt," Zeigle said. "When he was taken into custody, his gun was empty."
Jennifer Greshowak, a spokeswoman for Lakeview Medical Center in Rice Lake, said three men from the same hunting party were brought to that facility after suffering gunshot wounds. One of the three was transferred to a hospital in nearby Marshfield, she said.
The other two -- identified by relatives as Denny Drew and Lauren Hesebeck -- were recovering from surgery at Lakeview. Drew was in serious condition, while Hesebeck was listed in fair condition, their families said in a statement issued Sunday night.
"Our families certainly appreciate the thoughts and prayers of this close-knit community, and encourage you to think and pray for the other families involved," the statement said.
Veness said the killings have shocked Exeland, a village of 219 people about 135 miles northeast of Minneapolis.
"It just doesn't happen in this neck of the woods," she said. "We don't expect any of this to happen."
"This is completely nuts," said Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle of the Sawyer County Sheriff's Department. "Why? I mean, five people dead because somebody was trespassing on property. It makes no sense."
Three others were wounded, said Julie Veness, an emergency medical technician in Exeland, Wisconsin.
Chai Vang, 36, was arrested in the case, Sheriff's Deputy Jake Hodgkinson told The Associated Press. Vang is from St. Paul, Minnesota, a police spokesman told the AP.
Saturday marked the opening of the nine-day deer season, and Veness said the shootings appeared to stem from a dispute over a deer stand -- an elevated position from which hunters can target deer.
"Apparently, the person was asked to leave and get out of his deer stand, and he didn't take it very well and he fired away at them," she said.
The dead included a a teenage boy and a woman, and a father and son, Zeigle told AP. Some of the victims were shot more than once.
Zeigle said the suspect was led out of the woods after getting lost by a pair of hunters who were not aware of the shootings.
"We were very thankful to take him into custody. No one else got hurt," Zeigle said. "When he was taken into custody, his gun was empty."
Jennifer Greshowak, a spokeswoman for Lakeview Medical Center in Rice Lake, said three men from the same hunting party were brought to that facility after suffering gunshot wounds. One of the three was transferred to a hospital in nearby Marshfield, she said.
The other two -- identified by relatives as Denny Drew and Lauren Hesebeck -- were recovering from surgery at Lakeview. Drew was in serious condition, while Hesebeck was listed in fair condition, their families said in a statement issued Sunday night.
"Our families certainly appreciate the thoughts and prayers of this close-knit community, and encourage you to think and pray for the other families involved," the statement said.
Veness said the killings have shocked Exeland, a village of 219 people about 135 miles northeast of Minneapolis.
"It just doesn't happen in this neck of the woods," she said. "We don't expect any of this to happen."
12-07-2005, 04:02 PM
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Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
Originally Posted by evosol
There is also facts that one party of the hunters shot at Chai Vang, in which he then returned fire. What you described is inline with what the media has portrayed. They did a good job. This goes back to the fact i brought up earlier about high profile cases and how they are normally moved to a different county in order to receive a fair trial.
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12-07-2005, 04:12 PM
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Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
Originally Posted by random-strike
Originally Posted by evosol
There is also facts that one party of the hunters shot at Chai Vang, in which he then returned fire. What you described is inline with what the media has portrayed. They did a good job. This goes back to the fact i brought up earlier about high profile cases and how they are normally moved to a different county in order to receive a fair trial.
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12-07-2005, 04:18 PM
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Re: clemency for "tookie" williams
Originally Posted by Whitey
Originally Posted by evosol
There is also facts that one party of the hunters shot at Chai Vang, in which he then returned fire. What you described is inline with what the media has portrayed. They did a good job. This goes back to the fact i brought up earlier about high profile cases and how they are normally moved to a different county in order to receive a fair trial.
How do you know? Were you there? The only one who said the hunters shot first was the gook on trial. What he admitted to was that he was walking away, he took off his scope, apparently one shot was fired at him so he turned around spraying. And instead of leaving the scene for saftey and calling the cops he instead killed an unarmed man than chased down another man and shot him in the back.
bottom line is that he needed a defense for shooting unarmed people in the back so of course the defense is going to say they shot first and dumbasses like you believe it when in reality he was an offended gook who murdered people in cold blood. He obviously didn't feel as if he was the one in danger since he was the one who ran down the hunters to shoot them in the back.
I bet if this was a white hunter who admitted to killing 5 hmog, one of which was unarmed and the other he had to run down and shoot in the back you definitely wouldn't be defending him. Your just another tool blinded by the racecard and say "ohh its the media's fault he looks so bad."
Vang is hunting by himself and is met by a group of hunters, The band of hunters tell him to leave while yelling derogetory names, Vang leaves the area, hes scared for his life because its obvious hes outnumbered. He does not know how many are armed, or what theyre intentions are. As he walks away, a member of the party takes a shot, whether it was meant as a warning shot or kill shot, it was enough to arouse emotions of imminent danger. I believe that since Vang came to the states fairly recently, he probably grew up in his homeland learning how to use weapons very effectively. Maybe even trained as most children are in those regions. So what did he do? He eliminated the threat, and make sure that each threat was disabled. The media called it "cold blooded killings," but in reality in the heat of the moment who is going to ask, "how many of you are armed?" Those where unknown factors to Vang and its obvious in the way he acted out. Its not "cold blooded killing" like it could easily be made to look. Serial killers and rapists are cold blooded killers. So to answer you ignorance with a little bit of my speculation. If them cracker-jacks where acting like cracker-jacks, then they probably fucked with the wrong gook on the wrong day, if they hadn't then 5 of their peoples would still be alive. As for Vang, well hes got to live the consequences.
lifes a bitch....
